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13 Jan 2016, 10:24 pm

I read this article and found it very interesting.
If I am not mistaken, many of us here on WP fall in one of these categories. I, myself, am an INTP.
I especially liked the very last bit about what INTPs and INTJs offer society.
INTPs offer "radical honesty" and INTJs offer "intellectual integrity."
I would hate to think that INTPs don't have intellectual integrity or that INTJs are not honest, but I think the article does a good job explaining the extreme ways INTPs and INTJs show their strengths.
It was also interesting how the author explained the more immature and the more mature versions of these two types.
Please share your thoughts!

http://www.personalityhacker.com/intp-vs-intj/



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13 Jan 2016, 10:28 pm

I must be weird, then.

I'm an ISFJ.



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13 Jan 2016, 10:46 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I must be weird, then.

I'm an ISFJ.


Not everyone is the same. I was just thinking that *many* of us are INTP or INTJ...But I might be wrong!

There are other articles on the site, but I have not read them yet. I was impressed with the article I read though...might get to more when I have time.



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13 Jan 2016, 11:12 pm

I'm an INTJ.
I consider myself as having both intellectual integrity and radical honesty.
I thought that might be simply "Aspie honesty."

And the part about not cleaning the clutter made my jaw drop.
I was just telling someone at work today about my proposed
"brutally honest" artist statement:

* ahem! * (clears throat)

Here's why I create art.
Because I have two choices:
One, clean my apartment.
Two, go into the wide open spaces of the great outdoors, camera in hand, take pictures, then look at them in my apartment so I don't have to see the clutter.

Just kidding ... or am I? :)

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14 Jan 2016, 2:00 pm

Very interesting. Every time I've done these MB-tests, I've tested as an INTJ, but this article has blurred the line for me somewhat. I might actually be an INTP. Unclear, though.


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14 Jan 2016, 2:07 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I must be weird, then.

I'm an ISFJ.


Hey me too! :D


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15 Jan 2016, 11:46 pm

actual INTP here,

The reason why many aspies test as INTP/INTJ on MBTI tests is not because those types are more likely to be autistic, but because the aspies tend to answer MBTI questions more similarly to how INTP's/INTJ's answer them.

Example: aspies tend to be less social which often results in extroverted aspies to answer some questions similarly to how an introvert would answer them, causing them to often mistype as an introvert. Similarly, Feeling aspies tend to have problem connecting with others, causing them to mistype as a thinker.

I would really like to interact with other INTP aspies, but unfortunately a majority of self claimed INTP aspies on the internet are just mistyped due to MBTI tests giving biased results to aspies.



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16 Jan 2016, 5:54 am

e4c5 wrote:
actual INTP here,

The reason why many aspies test as INTP/INTJ on MBTI tests is not because those types are more likely to be autistic, but because the aspies tend to answer MBTI questions more similarly to how INTP's/INTJ's answer them.

Example: aspies tend to be less social which often results in extroverted aspies to answer some questions similarly to how an introvert would answer them, causing them to often mistype as an introvert. Similarly, Feeling aspies tend to have problem connecting with others, causing them to mistype as a thinker.

I would really like to interact with other INTP aspies, but unfortunately a majority of self claimed INTP aspies on the internet are just mistyped due to MBTI tests giving biased results to aspies.


I don't understand what you mean by mistyping of self-claimed INTP aspies. Mistyped as INTP or wrong about self-claimed AS?

I test as INTP. The descriptions of the personality fit me just about exactly. I am so strongly INTP that I have tested as such every single time I've taken any kind of personality test for the last 20 years. I first took an actual MBTI test in college.



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16 Jan 2016, 6:06 am

So, how does one differentiate between answering the questions similarly to how X type would, and actually being X type?


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16 Jan 2016, 4:17 pm

nerdygirl wrote:
e4c5 wrote:
actual INTP here,

The reason why many aspies test as INTP/INTJ on MBTI tests is not because those types are more likely to be autistic, but because the aspies tend to answer MBTI questions more similarly to how INTP's/INTJ's answer them.

Example: aspies tend to be less social which often results in extroverted aspies to answer some questions similarly to how an introvert would answer them, causing them to often mistype as an introvert. Similarly, Feeling aspies tend to have problem connecting with others, causing them to mistype as a thinker.

I would really like to interact with other INTP aspies, but unfortunately a majority of self claimed INTP aspies on the internet are just mistyped due to MBTI tests giving biased results to aspies.


I don't understand what you mean by mistyping of self-claimed INTP aspies. Mistyped as INTP or wrong about self-claimed AS?

I test as INTP. The descriptions of the personality fit me just about exactly. I am so strongly INTP that I have tested as such every single time I've taken any kind of personality test for the last 20 years. I first took an actual MBTI test in college.


If you read the detailed description of the INTP type and also other types that are one letter off of INTP, and you think the INTP describes you more accurately than the other types, then you probably are an INTP. But if you take one single online MBTI test and assume it's correct because the short description somewhat sounds like you, then it might be wrong since online MBTI tests do not always give someone's accurate MBTI type.

I personally took 3 different online MBTI tests and only 2 of them said I was an INTP.



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16 Jan 2016, 4:38 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:
So, how does one differentiate between answering the questions similarly to how X type would, and actually being X type?


Take being introverted vs being extroverted but behaving introverted for example. A person born extroverted when pushed to their introverted extreme would behave slightly on the introverted side. This person would have similar behaviors to many introverts, but unlike a natural extrovert, when a natural introvert is pushed their introverted extreme, they will be way more introverted than what a natural extrovert is capable of. So an introvert and an extrovert are capable of behaving similarly and therefore answering personality test questions similarly, but still belong to different personality types.



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16 Jan 2016, 5:31 pm

This sounds like it's getting into a nature vs. nature thing. Of course external factors may influence a persons behaviour to a degree, and of course a natural introvert that has not been pushed towards extroversion is going to be more introverted than a natural extrovert that has been pushed towards introversion, and vice versa. But from what you wrote, you seemed to be saying that aspie INTP/INTJ's somehow aren't "actual", because of Aspergers. Which lands us in a chicken-egg situation; are aspies actually more likely to have traits congruent with these personality-types, or are people with these traits more likely to be diagnosed as aspies? Is Aspergers somehow a distinct overlay that muddies the waters to determining you "actual" personality-type, or is it part of what forms your personality?

It's entirely possible that I'm biased in being an IxTx, and an aspie who's ExFx might genuinely face the problem you describe. But it seems to me tantamount to saying "a person who finds X difficult can not enjoy X".

I've taken three or four MBTI tests at various times, and always had the result "INTJ", and always with the "J vs. P" graph very close in size, which is why I reacted when some of the bits describing the INTP in this article sounded more like me than some of the bit describing the INTJ.

Seems to me you are saying the tests need more nuance.


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16 Jan 2016, 6:09 pm

e4c5 wrote:
if you take one single online MBTI test and assume it's correct because the short description somewhat sounds like you, then it might be wrong since online MBTI tests do not always give someone's accurate MBTI type.


Frankly I don't think any MB test is accurate since the whole MBTI theory is questiobable. There are many sources which explain why if you search for it. The big five is generally regarded as a much better test. It's a pity though because I really like the neat categorization, and felt that INTJ/INTP both seems to fit me well. But me or you liking the system and description better unfortunately doesn't make it any more valid. It may still be entertaining though :)


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16 Jan 2016, 6:29 pm

PorridgeGuy wrote:
Frankly I don't think any MB test is accurate since the whole MBTI theory is questiobable. There are many sources which explain why if you search for it. The big five is generally regarded as a much better test. It's a pity though because I really like the neat categorization, and felt that INTJ/INTP both seems to fit me well. But me or you liking the system and description better unfortunately doesn't make it any more valid. It may still be entertaining though :)

The MBTI style tests are not only invalid because the theory behind them is weak. They are also invalid because on re-test, over 50% of test-takers change at least one of their four codes. Personality refers to stable traits, and if your test doesn't have stable results, how is that a personality test?

My sister was once very taken with the MBTI that was being administered at her company. I mentioned casually that the test was not considered very valid by academic psychologists. She was upset, and protested, "But the facilitator seemed very sincere!" Yeah, and so do a lot of fortune-tellers.


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17 Jan 2016, 7:15 am

I have taken at least 20 different personality tests online, plus the real MBTI test I took in college. I *always* score INTP. The description fits me. I don't necessarily like it and have tried scoring differently, which is why I have taken so many tests. Still INTP.

I can see how some people would waffle back and forth in a couple of letters, though, if they tested near the middle of the range for those. That doesn't mean that they aren't what they test.

I can be extroverted when I need to be. I might be able to handle social activity more than other introverts because that may be where I am closer to the middle of the range. But, I still always test "I", and I am easily peopled-out. The activity drains me, so when I get home I am done talking to anyone. When I am feeling like that, I can't even go online here or to WP because it is too much social interaction.



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17 Jan 2016, 10:08 am

nerdygirl wrote:
I have taken at least 20 different personality tests online, plus the real MBTI test I took in college. I *always* score INTP. The description fits me. I don't necessarily like it and have tried scoring differently, which is why I have taken so many tests. Still INTP....


If 50 % of test takers change one or more of their codes on re-test, then 50 % of them don't change. Obviously, you are one of the latter half.

The stuff I said about test validity is absolutely no commentary on the individuals who take the test and do or do not change on re-test. It's empirical, i.e., evidence-based and statistical. Some tests have a very high test-retest validity and others do not. Generally, this tells us more about the test than about the people.


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