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09 Jan 2016, 6:41 pm

As a Aspie Sociopaths are our worst enemy.

My Mother is a sociopath I was wondering is there any way I can trick her into proving herself a Sociopath.
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09 Jan 2016, 6:56 pm

Don't confront such a person as to who they are. It's very very dangerous and doesn't lead to anything good.



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09 Jan 2016, 6:58 pm

I try not to, But what if I have no other Choice?


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09 Jan 2016, 7:02 pm

Pieplup wrote:
what if I have no other Choice?

What other choice? Don't do it, it's gonna get you into trouble.
It's like telling a killer "I know you are the killer, I will call the police!"...



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09 Jan 2016, 7:05 pm

if she displays a lack of empathy and conscience, especially if she's manipulative, you know all you need. proving it to her won't change anything. a psychiatrist told me that for a sociopath to change takes at least fifteen years if they WANT to change and work very hard at it.



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09 Jan 2016, 7:14 pm

Well, that sounds like something my Psychologist would say :?


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09 Jan 2016, 8:06 pm

Most NT can't "outsmart" sociopaths when it come to manipulation, even less so aspies, after all they are very good at it. From what I know sociopaths tend to manipulate in ways that seed mistrusts and make peoples go against each other, so I guess they would have difficulty with deeply knot groups of peoples, if the group members manage to keep trust in each other under the sociopath manipulation of course.



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09 Jan 2016, 8:11 pm

Pieplup wrote:
... My Mother is a sociopath...
Evidence, please?



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09 Jan 2016, 9:51 pm

Fnord wrote:
Pieplup wrote:
... My Mother is a sociopath...
Evidence, please?

Which do you want..
Proffesional Diagonos, Suspected Diagnosois, or Proffesional Therapy?
Or my Years of Experience with my Abusive mother. Just say so Fnord. :king: :)


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09 Jan 2016, 10:19 pm

What is the point of trying to get a sociopath to admit to being a sociopath? They have no conscience and will not feel bad about being one. OR, they will just manipulate and gaslight until you don't believe that you are correct about them being a sociopath and doubt all your own judgment.

The best thing to do if you recognize a sociopath is to stay away.

*However*, based on my experience (of course, I am not a psychologist) is that most mean and manipulative people are not really sociopaths. Sociopaths are their own special breed...



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09 Jan 2016, 10:48 pm

Pieplup wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Pieplup wrote:
... My Mother is a sociopath...
Evidence, please?
Which do you want... Professional Diagnosis, Suspected Diagnosis, or Professional Therapy?
Professional diagnosis.

Personal opinions don't count as real diagnoses.

For example, my family had always suspected that my dad was an alcoholic - he drank heavily, had blackouts, went into drunken rages, and had what appeared to be symptoms of withdrawal when he didn't drink for a few days - but it wasn't until we staged an intervention and got a real diagnosis from real medical professionals that our suspicions were confirmed.

Once we had the evidence, we could finally commit him legally to therapy and treatment.

Now, if your mother has been officially diagnosed as a sociopath, and the possibility of Narcistic Personality Disorder, Psychopathy, Schizophrenia, Borderline Personality Disorder, or some hidden addiction have all been officially ruled out, then please tell us.

But if she's a "sociopath" on your say-so alone, then please tell us that instead.



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09 Jan 2016, 11:09 pm

Tollorin wrote:
Most NT can't "outsmart" sociopaths when it come to manipulation, even less so aspies, after all they are very good at it. From what I know sociopaths tend to manipulate in ways that seed mistrusts and make peoples go against each other, so I guess they would have difficulty with deeply knot groups of peoples, if the group members manage to keep trust in each other under the sociopath manipulation of course.

Well, no, I disagree there, after years of living with an extremely manipulative mother and sister (not sure if they're sociopaths but I have wondered on several occasions), I have worked out that if you know what you're up against, you can avoid a lot of the manipulation just by not caring what others think of you. Both of them like to use guilt, so when I catch them trying to make me feel guilty (often for not somehow *knowing* that they needed help at X particular time, even though I wasn't anywhere nearby) I just laugh in their faces and walk away.



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09 Jan 2016, 11:12 pm

Yes, actually, there are many other psychological disorders that can mimic sociopathy. Even manipulative behavior and lack of empathy aren't exclusive to sociopaths. If you are under the control of such a person, I would think it better to try to get along as best you can until you are old enough to get away.



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10 Jan 2016, 9:46 am

nerdygirl wrote:
What is the point of trying to get a sociopath to admit to being a sociopath? They have no conscience and will not feel bad about being one. OR, they will just manipulate and gaslight until you don't believe that you are correct about them being a sociopath and doubt all your own judgment.

The best thing to do if you recognize a sociopath is to stay away.

*However*, based on my experience (of course, I am not a psychologist) is that most mean and manipulative people are not really sociopaths. Sociopaths are their own special breed...

I don't know.


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10 Jan 2016, 9:50 am

After having been raised by an alcoholic father, being married to a woman addicted to pills and alcohol (1st wife only), working for various tyrants and power-trippers, and serving in the military, I am essentially immune to being guilt-tripped.

The down side of this is that those who realize that they can't manipulate me with guilt trips call me a "sociopath". I've known others with similar backgrounds and experiences as mine, so maybe it's just possible that someone could be "diagnosed" as a "sociopath" by an untrained amateur only because that amateur can not get his or her way with the alleged "sociopath".

In other words, an amateur "diagnosis" of sociopathy of an authority figure might come from a person who actually just resents the authority figure that they've "diagnosed" as a sociopath.



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10 Jan 2016, 11:05 am

I'm not being funny or anything but I wouldn't have even known what a sociopath was at aged 12.


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