Slightly confused about this negative attitude towards AS

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I'm not really sure how people think of us. I thought it was mostly positive, if not just that they thought we were somewhat socially inept. Whenever I saw a feature about AS/Autism it was usually some parent talking and then the child doing something like jumping in the pool.

I really don't see the connection between spree killers and autism. I don't see it in me. Cho came across a pretty irrational. I think they made a mistake in his diagnosis. Like I said childhood schizophrenia can be confused with AS. It is paranoid schizophrenic that are dangerous not everyone.

This autism link is not something I've seen in the news in the UK (I may be wrong). But it is sad in is being made at all, and also it is sad that that there isn't anyone arguing against the autism link and mentioning the problem with childhood diagnosis.

People are afraid of people who are different.

They are also afraid of being killed.

They hear that some looser loner with a gun shot up a school, they get scared. They hear another loner shot up another school, they get even more scared.

They hear that having autism / As can make people be isolated, withdrawn, and from experiance, they may know this is true, these people do not seem in HS or college to really "want" to be part of the social circles.

Then there are the others, people who are bullied and pushed to far, they go and shoot up schools. They hear some of these people have AS or autism.

They determine that being a loner or being picked on may predispose someone to shoot up jump off the deep end and pick up a gun and shoot people. These people sometimes have As. Therefore, they conclude, having AS could make you jump off the deep end and kill people.

I imagine that people with mental disorders are going through what we are now too.

You see, it is part of the human psychy to try and understand why people do things. When we hear of someone like CHo, we all ask "how could he do that"? We hear "He was crazy, he was a loner, he had Autism". You go "ahh, that must be it, loosers with autism who sit in the back of class and say nothing are dangerous!".

It is usually media spin and crap politics that we deal with on a daily basis.

I have felt isolated but it was not my AS that caused that is was the SA caused by people treating you differently.

When I want to be alone I'm not isolated I just want to be alone.

You can get mental problems if you are AS or NT.

I think people just oversimplify, and go into jobs they are NOT qualified for. I mean COME ON! The guy seemed shy and aloof and THAT made him Autistic?!?!?!? YEAH RIGHT! Hey, I was shy and aloof, and nobody ONCE thought anything was wrong with me psychologically. I thought I was shy and aloof. TO THIS DAY I would have thought that I was not autistic if not for the fact that I had the hypo/hyper sensitivity was smart, and I guess I am skewed even socially. Of course, since then, I have come to places like this and it is EERIE! I can predict some wierd things about you guys because I am the same way. It really is like we are all from another planet.

I guess I am happy about not seeing all the other things that showed up because, although they don't fit me like AS does, they DO talk of the shyness, aloofness, sensory problems, and some kinds of social problems.

Anyway, people think LOOK, LONER!! !! !! AS, AS, AS!! !! !! ! SOME are a LITTLE smarter and will say autistic if the subject isn't quite as adept or smart, but STILL, it doesn't mean they are autistic either.

It is IRONIC that people question self diagnosed people that have been here for months and STILL think they are AS, and give LOTS of valid reasons for it, and hurt NOBODY. Those SAME people may diagnose another with little info, and NO stated belief that HAVE hurt people.

Frankly, I have been overy logical. I could MAYBE see why a person like him might want to kill people that were obviously happily intentionally trying to destroy his life, etc.... But a RANDOM shooting????? A CRYPTIC message????? And the fact that he PLANNED this, and so POORLY, makes it even LESS likely. You would think that if an aspie did it it would have been off the cuff, or well planned. Heck, I would think even the lowest LFA would be like that. CHO was just insane. It was like he saw his purpose in life as being a famous enigma and killer. The only logical reason for the gun was to personalize it. Since he had no apparent motive, that was apparently because it made him feel like a big shot, and he became more famous.

HECK, these copycats are getting to be like earthquakes! In 1994-1996 there were a LOT of earthquakes in the san fernando valley. People got upset because earlier earthquakes were changed to preshocks, and later ones were called aftershocks. EVEN ones that earlier would have been called EARTHQUAKES! NOBODY came up with an objective reason for that to be the case. There was simply an arbitrary span that had to be met, and it kept getting reset.

There have been similar incidents to CHOs that have been called copycats! Some say CHOs was a copycat of columbine! That DOES give his attack a kind of perverted logic.

This makes me want to start another thread!

Steve

I don't know why everytime something like this happens they try to say the killer has
AS or Autism and that is why they went on a killing rampage. People will start being
afraid of us or even ppl who are just harmless loners. Will all be stereotyped as
potential mass murderers.

If someone said that Cho killed those ppl because he was Korean, they would be forced
to apologize to all Koreans and lose their job and maybe even go to jail. But anyone can say that about AS and Autism and nothing is done about it.

Most people know nothing about ASD or Asperger's until something like a school shooting breaks through and gets their attention. They don't have that base of knowledge that tells them anything besides "an Asperger's person shot someone."

I don't care what the media says, or what people think, anymore.

I never cared what the media thought. People with AS don't need any more bad publicity. They always talk today in terms of diagnoses. Why can't they say what this guy really is-EVIL! The P.C. movement has gotten way out of hand. We can't talk about good and evil anymore.

It might also be viewed as PC to have to talk about good and evil.

Abused children sometimes go off and I think that it is the fault of the abusers.

I think it is also the fault of the school system for not getting a handle on the bullying early on. Luckily, I had parents who got mad and fought when I was being bullied. Some people aren't so fortunate. Still, I would not have thought of hurting innocent people not involved in the bullying. It would have been all I could have done to defend myself against my attackers, who were much bigger than I was.

Just ignore it. The media is pulling out all the stops to get information about Cho and dig into his past. They're not doing it to start a witch-hunt. They're not doing it to prevent something like this happening again. They're doing it because it's what they do it, like it or not. Any "expert" with a theory is going to get time on a news channel, because, quite honestly, there isn't enough news to fill 24 hours. Just stop watching.

Bullying consists of hurting innocent and defenseless people. The bullies get a better charge out of doing it to people who are least deserving and who want to play the game the least. It can also be thought of as conditioning and indoctrination, to the point of replacing a person's morality.

A perfectly normal person can be bullied into killing innocent people. We can't sit outside and simply judge when a person is allowed to snap. Such limits should never be tested by a just society.

The one thing I don't understand is why it's labelled as "us" (from the original poster)? I'm not part of grouped called Aspergers Syndrome. It just explains me to why "I'm" different. Although, I must admit, the Media do like to label a group of people because it's easier for everyone to relate to when they read about the story. It doesn't need much processing to the NT to stereotype.

Just remember, everyone here is individual and not part of a group . We all just have something in common.

I'm not trying to label you. I'm just talking collectively becuase that's what they are doing. But yes you have a point i'm not the same as you.

And I think parents must instill in the child a postive self schema in order to not let bullying wound one so deeply. When I was a kid, the "behavior problem" was the bully, not the quiet kid being bullied. There was a lot less emphasis on social learning and more emphasis on personal achievement.

I agree very much so. I personally went through a lot of bullying through school. However, it was my parents that pushed me through it and encouraged me that they'd support me, regardless how I reacted to them. This even included hitting the bully (which I regret not doing). I also went through the acceptance phase of my AS then too; questioning why it was me that had it knowing of the surroundings of NT kids and what they could do.

Positive thinking is always the key to getting through things .