If there were one thing you could change about NTs...

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22 Apr 2007, 10:28 am

For me, it would be a toss-up between making eye contact and not saying what they mean. Feeling pressure to make eye contact bothers me more in the day-to-day routine, but I think I've had more problems with relationships because people can't just say what's bothering them, or what they wish you would do. I had one passive-aggressive friend in college who would drive me nuts because she would expect me to know what the problem was, and then she would come out with things like "You don't even try to understand your friends" randomly at mealtimes. And then she'd refuse to talk about it at all. What the heck did she mean by that cryptic statement? I sure didn't know. I appreciate candor in other people, even if it's criticism, because at least I know what I've done wrong.

Oh, please if you can, don't give a general reply like "Tolerate differences in others"- we all wish that- but if you can make it something specific to NT "culture" (I know that's not the right word, but bear with me), that would be great. I'm curious to hear what bothers people the most.



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22 Apr 2007, 10:38 am

Probably fads that seem to last ages even when it was dead ages ago. Like American/Australian/NZ Idol, Pop and Rap music and that sort of stuff.


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22 Apr 2007, 10:40 am

There's many things I'd change about NTs, but unfortunately it's the "tolerance differences in others" I'd have to take. I'm quite new here. I'm very active person in the NT world with working in a good full-time job; all the way down to driving etc etc.

Eye-contact was a pain to grasp, but I can understand why they do it. After having intense social training, second-guessing someone's feelings or what they might be thinking is a lot more natural and correct. From your example LostInSpace in relation to your friend, they expect you to guess their feelings, and at least try to sympathise/empathise if they're feeling low or want to talk in more depth by starting a conversation.

I'm on the battle of relationships at the moment, and it isn't easy! Dating for example.... ha! I can't even get the ball rolling because they expect so much of you.



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22 Apr 2007, 10:55 am

How about the requirement for senseless similarities?

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22 Apr 2007, 11:23 am

I'd like them to come out of their isolation and stop mistaking their society for "the real world".


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22 Apr 2007, 4:46 pm

willem wrote:
I'd like them to come out of their isolation and stop mistaking their society for "the real world".


Yes! Narrow-minded, complacent intolerance has always been my biggest pet peeve about NTs.

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22 Apr 2007, 5:35 pm

For me it would be a toss-up between actually not lying and telling the truth sometimes, or being more tolerant of others differences.



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22 Apr 2007, 6:19 pm

i like how every1 here likes to discriminate about "NTs"
you act like "they" are a different kind of ppl. "they" are this "aspie" hating cult.
PEOPLE are generally good, tolerant, and try to be understanding. PEOPLE dont go around trying to hate aspies. if you go around being shy, avoiding eye contact, talking too quiet, always looking down, always alone, etc, people will notice that abut you. some ppl will be like "oh he was always like that, its just the way he is. lets just leave him be". other ppl will be like "oh i feel sorry for him, i would not like to be like that. he must have low confidence or be depressed. i will try to make him feel better", these are the ppl who will try to make u smile by doing something "cute" i find mostly girls do this.
the whole getting picked last for sports thing is not because ppl hate you, its because u dont look like u want to play. if you would try, have fun, and learn the game, people will like playing sports w/ you. the problem is most sports are not aspie-friendly, so most aspies never try to learn them.

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i just thought of something. most of u probably started hating "NTs" in early grades of school... kids r cruel agionst other kids, even "NT" kids, its not an aspie-hating thing. its not until high school that ppl mature. dont judge ppl based on how they where as kids, kids are ret*d.



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23 Apr 2007, 1:09 am

I would make them more like me!

Seriously, I would change the whole not saying what they mean/meaning what they say and expecting people to always guess stuff or just figure things out without being told. Sometimes I think I'll never ever understand that.



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23 Apr 2007, 1:22 am

Not my right to try to change anyone... Of course because it's me, and I'd probably screw it up some how.


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23 Apr 2007, 1:33 am

I'd make the bastards understand me!!



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23 Apr 2007, 2:05 am

I would stop them from coming to premature conclusion without any intention to do some research.

The main one being that they think Asperger Is an ilness because they think A Syndrome is an ilness. And never even bothering to use google to look it up and have a 5 minute read.



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23 Apr 2007, 3:05 am

I would stop them from existing.

Frankly, I think that everyone that
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23 Apr 2007, 3:17 am

I would put an end to all of those petty mind games.


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23 Apr 2007, 4:02 am

The biggest thing for me is certain NTs over others. The ones that won't say what they mean, won't communicate fully, who expect me to know what they mean, who go completely ape-sh** over the slightest verbal misstep on my part leaving me wondering what the heck just happened...

...oh wait, I think I'm just griping about one of my ex-girlfriends from several years ago. I will say she was just about the worst possible match for an Aspie!



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23 Apr 2007, 4:06 am

Stop expecting me to conform to their petty, senseless social rules, and 'punishing' me if I don't.

Well, ok. That mostly applies to my mother, I guess, but she's really the only 'NT' I can identify that I have a problem with. :) So since that doesn't apply, I'll change mine to: Say what you mean and mean what you say.