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jimservo
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24 Apr 2007, 7:41 am

Hmm...It seems, I don't know, maybe that a most of people on the board have come to embrace Asperger's in a way as a sort of identity, and an essentially portion of their what they are and how they represent themselves. I guess looking back I have always just looked as an affliction, and something that I happen to have (not that it isn't important).

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24 Apr 2007, 7:57 am

jimservo wrote:
Hmm...It seems, I don't know, maybe that a most of people on the board have come to embrace Asperger's in a way as a sort of identity, and an essentially portion of their what they are and how they represent themselves. I guess looking back I have always just looked as an affliction, and something that I happen to have (not that it isn't important).

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Oh no another victim of the "I do not belong sensation". Join the club because feeling
like you do not belong is core feature of aspergers. The perception that most others some how embrace it is just a product of your mind and not reality.



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24 Apr 2007, 8:00 am

I think that you are focusing on what is "wrong" with you, and not what makes you great.

Try switching focus, look for your strengths, and you will see a whole different you!

Yes, having AS is frustrating and limiting, and a whole bunch of other sad and depressing stuff. But it usually gives us us a special "gift" with all the crap.

Look for your "gift".

Maybe the best person to show this with, is my mother. If you look at her list of failings, it is very long and extensive.

3 failed marrages. 2 other failed serious relationships
Never finished highschooll
Never lived up to her increadible acedemic potential.
Could never hold a job for more then 8 months before running into "people problems".
Long history of depression and suicidal thinking.
3 kids who at times, have just about stopped speaking to her for various reasons, mostly because her personality can be toxic.
At 52 years old, moved to the middle of knowhere Saskatchewan, because she could no longer "cope" with the pressures of life.

It was there, at 52, that having all other distractions of life leave her, that she really came into her own. He is a ukrainian egg artist. The "best" there is I am sure. She is redefining the craft, her work being coppied by artists that are back in the Ukriane, much to here dismay.

These two are far from her best, but the only graphics I can get my hands on right now:

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This is her celebration, what makes her truely great. She will be remembered, I am sure, for her work, which has been sent all over the world, forever. What do the vast majority of NT's ever accomplish in life?



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24 Apr 2007, 8:03 am

jimservo wrote:
Hmm...It seems, I don't know, maybe that a most of people on the board have come to embrace Asperger's in a way as a sort of identity, and an essentially portion of their what they are and how they represent themselves.


Yes, i have the same perception.
To be clear: not that i embrace aspergers as a part of identity, but that i think others do ( almost like supporters of a football team).

I don't see an affliction though, just a difference from the norm.
eg. if you measured peoples height, you would get a normal distribution. There would be some outliers (on both sides). And you can make up a name for them, say, midgets or basket-ball players.
Asperger's is a name for an outlier.

edit: i think it would be ironic to say, "Yes, join the club."



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24 Apr 2007, 8:10 am

I am not saying I am a victim or anything. It was just something I noticed. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not upset.



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24 Apr 2007, 8:12 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
Oh no another victim of the "I do not belong sensation". Join the club because feeling
like you do not belong is core feature of aspergers. The perception that most others some how embrace it is just a product of your mind and not reality.


I agree with the first half, but there are many posters who speak of my AS, and so forth.
This does imply that they see it as part of them. Not a product of my perception.
Maybe this is just semantics but i do not think so.
I would never talk of my AS, because it makes no sense.
But then again, i would never talk of mychildhood (for example), because this makes no sense either. Yet many people do.

edit: Yes, i think it might just be semantics.
I don't know.



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24 Apr 2007, 8:17 am

I see it as me only because I've been able to separate various problems from it. I guess I used to think of all my problems as one 'illness'

I think it was to relief to come here I definitely know it is me now. The dx was confusing because of the nonsense I heard about AS.



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24 Apr 2007, 8:21 am

I think people who use such expressions as my childhood, use it for a reason.
ie. they were not too happy and making 'it' a possession is a way of dealing with this.

Maybe people who do use such expressions as my AS are having more of a problem than myself.

I maybe going off-topic and talking psycho-babble nonsense, i don't like quackery, so i will shut up.



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24 Apr 2007, 8:23 am

Kosmonaut wrote:
I maybe going off-topic and talking psycho-babble nonsense, i don't like quackery, so i will shut up.


ok good :P :D



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24 Apr 2007, 8:26 am

well the childhood I experienced is different to anyone elses, much like anyone of my vital organs is different to anyone elses, so therefore it becomes mine - thats my take on the possessive.

The same with the AS - since everyone does experience it differently, although there is some relation to each other (often alot) nobody will ever be exactly the same.



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24 Apr 2007, 8:28 am

maybe your having a "normal" day? i get em sometimes


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24 Apr 2007, 8:29 am

Kosmonaut wrote:
I agree with the first half, but there are many posters who speak of my AS, and so forth.
This does imply that they see it as part of them. Not a product of my perception.
Maybe this is just semantics but i do not think so.
I would never talk of my AS, because it makes no sense.
But then again, i would never talk of mychildhood (for example), because this makes no sense either. Yet many people do.

edit: Yes, i think it might just be semantics.
I don't know.


"Many" does not equal "most". Many posters here are completely out of touch with
reality not most :) Yeah your own aspie mind is playing Jedi mind tricks on you to make you think your looking at it with your logic but in reality perhaps your social cognitive
problems have completely clouded true objective analysis of the situation here on WP.



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24 Apr 2007, 8:42 am

Those Ukrainian Easter eggs look great! I had an interest in the Ukraine for a while, and find their egg art very beautiful.



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24 Apr 2007, 8:56 am

9CatMom wrote:
Those Ukrainian Easter eggs look great! I had an interest in the Ukraine for a while, and find their egg art very beautiful.


My interest is Ukrainian women :P



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24 Apr 2007, 8:56 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
Kosmonaut wrote:
I agree with the first half, but there are many posters who speak of my AS, and so forth.
This does imply that they see it as part of them. Not a product of my perception.
Maybe this is just semantics but i do not think so.
I would never talk of my AS, because it makes no sense.
But then again, i would never talk of mychildhood (for example), because this makes no sense either. Yet many people do.

edit: Yes, i think it might just be semantics.
I don't know.


"Many" does not equal "most". Many posters here are completely out of touch with
reality not most :) Yeah your own aspie mind is playing Jedi mind tricks on you to make you think your looking at it with your logic but in reality perhaps your social cognitive
problems have completely clouded true objective analysis of the situation here on WP.


Yes, you are correct.
Don't know about the Jedi mind tricks, but i am reminded of the end of "The Remains Of The Day" ( the book not the film). The main character is watching a group of people socialising whom he suspects have been friends for many years. He then realises that they may have in fact been strangers and just met.
Even more off-topic, but at least not nonsense.



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24 Apr 2007, 10:12 am

We're all have the "Mozart on the football field" condition; woefully out of place in the common arena, but very gifted in our own areas. It's true that these personal areas of great ability can be very hard for us Aspies to discover, for they are usually very narrow, but also very deep wells of talent, far in excess of most people. I don't know if this is how it is for some other Aspies, but I tend to blindly stumble upon my gifted areas -- and I often forget just where they were later! :lol: Makes life quite an adventure -- constantly rediscovering major things about yourself.


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