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13 Apr 2016, 4:32 pm

Bad information has a habit of lasting longer than the truth for a great majority of people. If it's what they want to hear, it's right. If it's something that makes it easy to have something to blame, it's right.

Critical thought goes out the window and once the teeth of dogmatic belief sinks in there is no reasoning with people.

The "Vaccines cause Autism" people are back at it and goaded on by yet another celebrity.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/04/1 ... tcmp=hpbt4

What's more distressing is the comments. There are mostly "Oh yeah? So's yer muddah" type of mudslinging and very few people that have an understanding of science and how this has been debunked for what, almost 15 years now?


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13 Apr 2016, 4:51 pm

Absolutely.

We have to inform the public about the multifarious nature of the autistic spectrum, rather than paint autism as a tragedy, while seeking a convenient scapegoat (i.e., the vaccines).



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13 Apr 2016, 4:59 pm

I thought this was particularly informative:

"When it comes to health, false promises and misinformed theories lead to inefficient therapies and dead end research. At the end of the day, it leads to anger and the misperception that somebody “caused” whatever medical hardship you’re facing to happen to you, and that is not a good starting point when it comes to autism." (Italics Mine)

I just shake my head on how long things hold on in popular culture due to true ignorance.


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13 Apr 2016, 5:00 pm

Yep...that does happen a lot.



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13 Apr 2016, 5:38 pm

People often choose steadfast, intentional ignorance over solidly proven fact if said fact would force them to have to re-evaluate other beliefs or values. Especially if those beliefs or values are key something important to them, such as being a member of their current community, or could affect their wealth or perceived social/personal power. Just look at things like racism, sexism and the like...


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13 Apr 2016, 5:51 pm

There was a thread about this and someone made an excellent point about how people choose things to fit a narrative that makes them feel better regardless of what is presented.

I really wish I had copied it. It was quite well put.


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13 Apr 2016, 5:57 pm

Unfortunately, the general public and even most health professionals are clueless about autism. They think what they want and believe whatever information the first Google query produces. Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder. Anecdotal evidence seems to prevail.


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13 Apr 2016, 6:15 pm

zkydz wrote:
Bad information has a habit of lasting longer than the truth for a great majority of people. If it's what they want to hear, it's right. If it's something that makes it easy to have something to blame, it's right.

Critical thought goes out the window and once the teeth of dogmatic belief sinks in there is no reasoning with people.

The "Vaccines cause Autism" people are back at it and goaded on by yet another celebrity.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/04/1 ... tcmp=hpbt4

What's more distressing is the comments. There are mostly "Oh yeah? So's yer muddah" type of mudslinging and very few people that have an understanding of science and how this has been debunked for what, almost 15 years now?


From the comments that I skimmed through, it seems to be a LOT of really, really cuckoo theories about autism. About the only idea in there that isn't batsh*t crazy is that advanced parental age at conception is linked to autism. Malnutrition, herbicides, and various others that I can't recall even though I just read them. And of course the conspiracy theories about how an all-powerful, faceless elite wants to hide the "truth" about autism from the public for reasons that are never made quite clear. Stop the planet, I want off.



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13 Apr 2016, 6:16 pm

Lol, People think I'm wrong when I back things up with facts, Especially with autism. I got called a fraud for disproving Anti-Vaxxers. :lmao: It's hilarious fore they are like hell no, even if they agree on autism speaks being bad it is only for them to be good. Like it's absolutely ignorant. I hate this fore it's like people being more emotional then logical. Which is probably a thing that is in and of it self the downfall of humanity.


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13 Apr 2016, 7:03 pm

The CDC themselves state that one of the very rare side effects (1 in 1 million doses) of the MMR and MMRV vaccines is permanent brain damage. They then go on to say that it is so rare that they don't know if it is caused by the vaccine.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm#mmr

From this point of view, I think Robert De Niro is right in saying that the situation is more complicated and that there is actually a question that needs answering.

But I also think he was wrong to decide to screen Vaxxed in order to promote discussion about the issue because Vaxxed is really just a conspiracy theory. The "evidence" they found of increased rate of autism linked to vaccination only applied to African-Americans but the film is about Caucasians talking about how vaccines caused autism for their children. It would be funny if it wasn't so serious.



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13 Apr 2016, 10:49 pm

There's a special place in Hell for those anti-vax types.


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13 Apr 2016, 10:57 pm

They feel better thinking that they can prevent autism in their children by refusing to have them vaccinated. It gives them a sense of control, so that they feel safer. Unfortunately, they are probably unnecessarily putting their children at risk by doing so.



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14 Apr 2016, 1:22 am

Anti-vaxer logic:

Vaccines contain formaldehyde.
Formaldehyde molecules contain mercury atoms.
Mercury is toxic.
Therefore, vaccines are toxic.

By that same reasoning:

Salt molecules contain chlorine atoms.
Chlorine is toxic.
Therefore, salt is toxic.

While people are panicking about a fictional "autism epidemic" they are causing real epidemics.


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14 Apr 2016, 1:25 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
There's a special place in Hell for those anti-vax types.


Truer words were never spoken.

I've lost a lot of respect for Robert now. I still think he's a good actor, but as a human being, not so much.



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14 Apr 2016, 1:39 am

Pieplup wrote:
I got called a fraud for disproving Anti-Vaxxers. :lmao:

I once got called a fraud by flat earthers on the flat Earth society forum (yep, that's a thing) because my special interest is astronomy and I can come up with ways to prove that Earth is round all day. When they ran out of ways to evade my arguments they started calling me a government shill. Good old conspiracy nuts, what a bunch they are.

If those anti-vaxxers want to see a fraud they should look at the paper that suggested that vaccines cause autism.


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