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I don't believe this but,

Do Learning Disabilities cause Bad behavior?

I can't see where this true since most major crimes are commited by Nurotypicals.

I also don't see where Juvinille crimes went up since on the Spectrum kids got mainstreamed in the schools. I think it's a coincedence that Juvinille Crimes went up because Parents don't displine their kids like they used to, and in the schools Corporal Punishment was taken out, teachers can't even put you in the corner with your face to the wall anymore. (Do many Aspies or Autistics remember teachers doing this to them, along with tape over your mouth?)

What say you?

I never had to be disciplined I just wanted to be left alone to pursue my own curiosities so I didn't cause much trouble.

Typically though criminal behavior is done in the pursuit of NT desires.. materialism, social standing, the result of a lack of emotional control, etc so I wouldn't be surprised to find its not very common among people with ASDs.

Depends on your definition though.. having an overload and screaming and flailing could be considered bad behavior even though its not intentional.

I think the fact that LD's are so highly co morbid with ADHD or AS or other social disabilites may make it appear that they are.

Also, if a child does not "get it" in a class room, they may turn to acting out or seeking negative attention.

There is something called a Non Verbal Learning Disability, which hampers things like reading maps and charts, usually involves a marked impairment to the left side of the body, and does cause social problems similar to AS. That could cause poor behaivor too.

If you mean bad behaviour as in throwing tantrums, being socially inappropriate or desruptive in some way, then in some part yes they can. However, it is only those without learning disabilities that view this behaviour as 'bad' whereas it is probably the natural, instinctive reaction of the person with the learning disability. But then it also largely depends on the person and the learning disability too.

I've known quite a few people with learning disabilities, but there are two that I will mention here, purely because one was as good as gold and the other was really really 'naughty' in the eyes of everybody.

The good one was the kindest person you could ever meet. She was about three years younger than me and she was well behind the rest of her peers. To top it off, she was also deaf and couldn't speak (she made a series of grunting noises). She was picked on so badly and called 'spacker', 'flid' etc (she could lipread) and she was very hurt by this and, more often than not, when I saw her, she was crying because of it. Even though she was treated like this, she was extremely generous, loving and kind. She had a pet cat that she adored (calld Boo Boo because that was pretty much all she could say, bless her) and she spent most of her time with him. She sometimes came swimming with me, she was a fantastic swimmer. We did lifesaving classes and she was one of the best in the class. I lost contact with her though after I moved away but I later heard that she was killed in a road accident. In my mind this is a tragic loss as she will have been only 16 when she died and because of the warm, sincere person she was.

The bad one was difficult, really difficult. At one point I thought he was being naughty on purpose, out of spite etc etc. But I think the way people stereotyped him and perceived him had a lot to do with his behaviour. When he was behaving, let's say, a little differently, he got no encouragement as such, just a berating. I actually asked him why he was so naughty all the time. He answered with 'because everyone thinks I am anyway so what's the point?' In other words, everyone perceives him as the 'that little bastard' (I heard him get called that a lot), and mud does tend to stick. So he probably felt there was no point in being good as it wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference. I think that if people would have been more patient with him and spent more time with him and guided him as opposed to constantly shouting at him (including his parents, they are to blame methinks) then he may be more confident as opposed to feeling stupid and put down.

Who said Nurotypicals didn't have learning disabilities? Outside of some week areas, and social, I doubt anyone could say I have learning disabilities. My job REQUIRES me to learn new things fast, and I DO!

BTW I never had any behaviour problems either. Even my mother and father will openly say that. I haven't been ***PERFECT***....

One time, my mother tried to call my father to have HIM ball me out for some garbage, and I shorted out the phone lines so she couldn't! I once installed a filter in a tape recorder, to have it work better,my dad got me. I was happy, and mentioned it, and my father forced me to REMOVE it out of concern that it would void the warranty. STUPID! I was BORED, and didn't do my homework, etc.... BUT, in the end, they MARVELLED at how well behaved I was!

Steve

I believe it, I was one of them and still am.
It was because of my sever inability to communicate feelings, wants and needs. I imagine this wouldn't be SO bad for people who were around or cared for by elders who were Thinkers rather than Feelers. Up until age two or about there I was perfect. I was clean, I new how to walk, potty trained, could count, alphabet, you name it. Blah blah genius blah. Than came the two's where its typical that at the age of two's children make it known that they want something WELL I didn't know how and when I felt something I didn't know what it was SO, fit after fit after fit? Yeah. It got worse up until quite recently actually, I've been a violent ridiculous delinquent that felt there was absolutely nothing wrong with me, I was perfect, smart and needed to validity for who I was as I was godly and incredible and everyone was just incompetent fools that didn't understand me and CLEARLY couldn't grasp my high intellect.

Egotist much.

It makes sense. You're young and smart, brutally honest and lack any idea on what to say when. You don't dress like everyone else because you don't have a need to fit in or feel that even if you might want to fit in to a small degree you're peers are ret*d for dressing like that or acting in such ways. You can't connect with anyone, you know the subject and you have so many idea's and insights but you can't find a way to share them (try as you may all fail in which just makes it worse because it proved that you can't speak in a way that they understand and they see you as an idiot ) after all this mental abuse, especially if knowledge, intelligence and competence is very important to you are you going to pitch a damn fit?

Yes, yes I'm going to pitch a damn fit.

I didn't act up as a child, but I would also do nothing until I asked if it was okay first, even if I wanted to go into my own room, however...

My son acts up all the time because he doesn't understand how to react to children doing things that he doesn't think they should, or they improv on a game that he started. He will try and try to tell them, but doesn't understand how they could possibly think of doing anything different than what he is thinking, and he gets VERY frustrated. I think it builds up over time, he was good in school for a few months, but now it's a mixture of playing and acting out going hand in hand. The other day he hit a girl in class, when I asked him why he did it, he said he doesn't know but he felt like he had to hit something (and yes, he got in trouble, but it didn't do any good-he now knows he shouldn't hit girls, or anyone else for that matter, but just adds more frustration because he doesn't see where what he did was wrong and could really care less about my explanation-it just doesn't compute with him... he also can still not answer why he hit her-he has no clue why he felt the need to hit anything). He isn't good at verbally expressing how frustrated he is, so I think it's beginning to come out in other ways. It also seems to be a thing about reaction for him-if he does something out of frustration, and it gets a big response, he antagonizes it and laughs at all the facial expressions. He tells me he doesn't understand why they were so mad, but the look on their face was interesting, so he kept doing it to watch it change. He often dreams about making someone so mad that their face turns green.

The teachers also I think contribute in a sense. His teacher hasn't looked at the fact that he taught hisself how to count, that he knew his alphabet and a bit about reading before he started kindergarten. She says it's great and all that I'm getting him assessed, but she doesn't see how he could have anything going on with him... all because he cannot memorize his address and phone number, and the school counsellor just says I'm not harsh enough on him and that the only reason he does it is to control the entire class (making them stop what they are doing so that the teacher can discipline him for making an obnoxious noise once in a while). They don't take it a bit of seriously, so where does that leave him?

A lot of it seems to be frustration of repetition in his class (his homework consists of nothing but writing the same letter over and over, a different letter every night, or a poem that makes absolutely no sense). He gets very very bored with it, and loses focus a LOT on what he is doing, or spaces out when looking at it. Combine frustration with just plain being bored and not understanding why he's getting in trouble for interacting with other kids (even if not always appropriate, he doesn't realize it's not), and I'd imagine it would make for a lot of bad behavior after days and days of repetition of this going on.