Maybe autism has a trigger..?

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This is just a thought, I'm very exhausted so this theory might not make sense.

I know two things: some people THINK autism is caused by vaccines (which isn't true)
And I know that there is a common occurrence of people on the spectrum having re-occurring ear infections at a young age.

Now ear infections are already extremely common amongst children regardless of their neurology, and most kids get vaccines. But there's also a common occurrence of gut imbalance in autistic children.

So what if- what IF autism is TRIGGERED by early trauma. Not caused, but symptoms arise after trauma.

I thought of this after hearing the infamous story of Christian Weston Chandler, as a young boy of 2 years he was traumatized by his baby sitter locking him in a room, after that he stopped speaking. It's clear that CWC had autism prior to the incident but his symptoms didn't show until afterwards.

I'm sure there are people out there who had no childhood illnesses of trauma of any kind and still have autism, but like I said it's just a thought and was only thinking of this because I had re-occurring ear infections before the age of 2.

Try being grounded all the god-damn time for years in a row where it's not even possible to socialise...

Why trauma but not vaccine?

I am sure there are triggers but my opinion is it is a combination of modern factors not seen when the condition was rare that now cause expression more.

I also think it is an inherited on/off type of gene

Vaccine alone maybe not (but common... mercury ,recently removed, but how any generations to recover from?is safe to keep vaccines on shelf longer but not safe if you spill one drop in the ocean? and immune suppression clinically proven can't let something bad happen)
Pot smoking parent-maybe not in itself
Birth control use causing changes
New hazardous materials from electronic manufacturing revolution ( was a activist on that after I lost my oldest son, Max. Look up Motorola an Superfund Sites or Arizona)
Alum and Flouride in water
GMOs?
Roundup permeated in EVERYthing
Mercury from fish and environment http://archive.sph.harvard.edu/press-re ... 62004.html


And what if each type autism is cause by something different not yet separated?

According to my mother, I was a social infant and was learning to talk and stuff but I was very quiet and barely cried. But then I started to get sick, had fevers, had a bunch of ear infections, doctors were incompetent so they wouldn't give my parents a referral. I also had problems with my adenoids from birth. Then as I kept on getting sick, my development declined and I also stopped talking and making sounds completely and it was discovered my ear drums were swollen with fluids so my parents had to threaten to sue to get a referral and then I was hypersensitive to sounds. My early diagnoses was Language Disorder and my mom thinks my ear infections is what caused me to be on the spectrum. They say you're born with autism but I wonder if being sick as a baby can cause autistic like features and cause them life time problems because it rewires their brain if they are sick a lot as a baby because their brain is developing so quickly and being sick a lot and having hearing loss is very bad for a toddler to have because it then interferes with their development and makes their brain take different pathways. So would I have been NT if I didn't get sick as a baby? Who knows. I often feel like I have brain damage even though it's never been injured nor have I ever lacked any oxygen to it to kill parts of it. But speech problems run in my family as does ADHD and psychotic and mood disorders, anxiety, and learning disorders, so who knows.

But I was taught it's just a label. Sometimes it is just a label because sometimes it doesn't matter if someone has true autism or not, it only matters what their issues are and what symptoms they are having. The diagnoses is just to get them services and the help they need.

Well you see I believe that SOME vaccines can trigger autism in SOME children.

Like the child already has autism but no symptoms, and then after they get a vaccine they get seizures and fever.

It isn't uncommon for a child to develop a high fever after a vaccine and in turn can cause seizures, most children come from this unharmed.

So I think maybe MAYBE a vaccine can cause a high fever and seizures and in turn trigger the autism.

But that doesn't limit it to just vaccines because with that logic a complication at birth could also trigger it.

I don't know though just thinking aloud.

Interesting topic, ZombieBride. I am reminded how, very often, mutants are likened to autistics; ie, there is something special about us but most of us still appear "normal."

In Deadpool, the hero was introduced to a lot of trauma to bring forth his special abilities. It'd be interesting if what you suggest is along the same lines.

Sometimes two people can be in a relationship where, say, the man seems perfect - perfect job, perfect house, perfect life, everything perfect; suddenly, something negative comes along that triggers his true violent self (his wife is caught cheating, he's a lot closer to his 10 year old niece than his brother thinks, his family is held captive by a gunman which causes him to spur into action, etc).

Didn't you just start a new job? Everything going well?

IMO autism is genetic. But maybe trauma can cause it too. I was born with a power cord around my neck.

Yes. Wouldn't certain realities of modern life just allow symptoms to show more? Lots of light bulbs will mean seeing more issues with light sensitivity. A larger population means more noise, more stimulation to contend with. Traffic. Large stores. The corporatization of work and increasing demands of office life. These things don't seem to get mentioned when people discuss more individuals being diagnosed.

As a PhD chemist, I have to comment on the mercury issue. The metal itself is not as toxic as one would think it is. In the metallic state, it cannot cross the blood-brain barrier in humans. However, if it becomes oxidized, all bets are off. Both mercury(I) and mercury (II) can cross this barrier and potentially cause major damage/death to humans. So, if we just get rid of the charged mercury around us, all is good right? Not quite...

So how do we come across mercury compounds like this in the environment? If liquid mercury is dumped out in the environment (big No-No!), more often than not it will tend to pool in the lowest lying areas. Mercury that comes into contact with anything containing elemental sulfur will bind with the sulfur atoms to become a form of cinnabar (HgS). Hg-S bonds are very strong (ie. covalent). In aquatic environments, many animals contain fairly high amounts of sulfur compounds in their proteins. (It is these sulfur compounds that oxidize over time to thiols (-SH) that give dead fish their familiar stinky odor.) This means that the mercury is first absorbed into lets say a very small fish. Well, larger fish eat smaller ones. So, the mercury that was in the small fish that was eaten becomes locked into the body of a bigger fish (a process called bioaccumulation). This process continues up the aquatic food chain till you get to the top. Humans tend to want to eat the largest fishes (tuna, swordfish, shark, etc.), which happens to have the highest concentration of mercury compounds. Once in our bodies, we digest the fish that we ate and now have those mercury compounds in our systems.

There is more to this story though. Metallic mercury can also be oxidized into charged mercury species via the interactions of certain bacteria. This interaction tends to also bond methyl groups to the now charged mercury atom, the number depends greatly upon the chemical environment during the process, which greatly influences the chemical properties of the compound. Organomercury (Hg-C) bonds are the ones that are particularly dangerous to humans. Dimethyl mercury [Hg(-CH3)2] is one of the strongest poisons known (a potent neurotoxin to be exact). It can go through latex gloves and skin with ease. Once enough of it gets in the brain, it takes about six to eight months before the full damage starts to show and by then it is usually fatal. It basically short circuits the neural pathways in the brain, first leading to insanity and then death. There is no cure if symptoms have already appeared. Methyl mercury compounds (containing only one methyl group) are also toxic and are commonly the ones found in aquatic life mentioned above.

However, not all charged mercury compounds are as toxic as dimethyl mercury. It greatly depends upon what functional groups are bound to the charged mercury center. Ethyl mercury compounds are much less toxic to humans than their methyl mercury counterparts. The mercury compound used to stabilize vaccines has a low risk of direct damage to the human body because of its structure (very stable overall with one Hg-S bond on a bulky ligand group). It does not contain a methyl bound group (it has an ethyl bound group), so the toxicity is greatly reduced. That does not mean that it is totally safe inside humans though. Time will tell the whole story.

I agree with HighLlama and ginger pickles

If vaccines (and Mercury) caused autism, we would have had an epidemic of it during the 50s and 60s, when many vaccines were developed and were in mass use.

My son, already a migraine sufferer from age 6 months, was bilingual, social and could read primers and Dr Seuss just at his second birthday. His pediatrician thought he was amazing. Because I had no records after a sudden long mover, if I wanted medical covered for him while I was unemployed I had to allow vaccines again. 6 hours later I was in ER, he had a 14 hour bout of migraine symptoms with fever of 104 at highest. 3 days later he was a blank eyed, clumsy zombie with lisp. Then can the spinning , head banging and food refusals that were similar to the AS in my family but sooooo severe and alien in it's presentation.
Genetically other than HFE marker, he has some extra material on Chromosome 14.
Which is why I think the vaccine was the trigger in his case..

Since my job is farm work I can't work in the rain which is all we have been getting lately

No I just had unexpected company last night and stayed up too late and got 5 hours of sleep as a result

First of all NO VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM

One man who made up results (and cut into the spines of children with no ethical authourity) said this.
*He owed a company that competed with the company who were making vaccines.
*He forced the results by changing the numbers
*He is now a disgrace to the scientific community
*He was charged for falsifying his research

Thousands of research papers have proved this is not the cause. That vaccines do not cause or even correlate with autism

Autism is linked to the incorrect cutting down and streamlining of neurons which occur in childhood which is often why symptoms become present in childhood.

The ear infection is likely a correlation due to age and not a causation. Perhaps ear infection occur because children woth autism are more sensitive to their environment

also it is nor just vaccines it is amount and age recieved.
Total vaccines 1950=7
Total vaccine 1974= 13 it is near doubled from my generation born in 60s that learning disorders were rarer
Total vaccines 1983=10 (also year they started the combo vaccine MMR that they had trademarked since 1971
Total vaccine 2013- 36.... 3 x what children received in 50s and 60s
36 is 5x the amount the earlier generations before the "epidemic" of autism appeared
And no further mercury research has been done sine 1999. They still add thermisol and its analogue to many of the vaccines.
I had no major harm from vaccines when I got them. But not that many were given .

A person can die of drinking over a gallon of water. Contests had this tragedy often. When is the line drawn between tolerable and too much when things that are good for you can kill you when overdosed.

All that until they are 5 years. The first 25 before they are a year old. What could go wrong...? right?

And don't forget to check VAERS now and again. Reports are delayed. But Zero measles deaths in Us between 2004-2013. BUT 96 vaccine deaths. Not big number some might say. UNTIL IT IS YOUR CHILD.
Herd is great until it runs off and leaves you as sacrifice to the predator.

I will put aside no theory or possible risk until the reasons for each expression for ASDs finds it's root cause.

Last edited by gingerpickles on 12 Jun 2016, 7:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.

This attitude towards vaccines are killing innocent people.

When you have watched a child dying from a horrific and preventable disease then you can complain.

Please also do your research on the steeply reduced mortality rate of many diseases thanks to vaccines