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Who has it harder?
Aspies 55%  55%  [ 12 ]
NLDers 45%  45%  [ 10 ]
Total votes : 22

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24 Apr 2014, 1:35 am

The title says it all.


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24 Apr 2014, 2:49 am

Asperger's is quite obvious when the right people knows it, it's usually not associated with nonlearning disorder meaning that it is easier to bare with it if you're excluding the personal problems that might occur because of Asperger's. NLD on the other hand tend to go undiagnosed making it very difficult to live with as you might not be able to grasp certain ammounts of information, It's overall just harder to notice especially if the person with the disorder isn't very expressive emotionally and rationally (might not share the problems the invidual have). So that's why I voted for NLD, don't get me wrong, both have some problems that are infuriating after a while.



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24 Apr 2014, 5:09 am

I voted for NLD too. That's because besides having many of the same struggles we do, they have a learning disability. Not all aspies have learning disabilities.



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24 Apr 2014, 5:19 am

Not enough information to vote.



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24 Apr 2014, 5:22 am

Quantum wrote:
Asperger's is quite obvious when the right people knows it, it's usually not associated with nonlearning disorder meaning that it is easier to bare with it if you're excluding the personal problems that might occur because of Asperger's. NLD on the other hand tend to go undiagnosed making it very difficult to live with as you might not be able to grasp certain ammounts of information, It's overall just harder to notice especially if the person with the disorder isn't very expressive emotionally and rationally (might not share the problems the invidual have). So that's why I voted for NLD, don't get me wrong, both have some problems that are infuriating after a while.


Up to 80% of people with AS also meet the criteria for NVLD.

Also, in this case, the "learning disability" part actually describes impairments that many autistic people have.

Lack of specificity to define both conditions as entirely separate from each other makes it difficult-to-impossible to judge that NVLD means being worse off than AS.



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24 Apr 2014, 5:46 am

Verdandi wrote:
Quantum wrote:
Asperger's is quite obvious when the right people knows it, it's usually not associated with nonlearning disorder meaning that it is easier to bare with it if you're excluding the personal problems that might occur because of Asperger's. NLD on the other hand tend to go undiagnosed making it very difficult to live with as you might not be able to grasp certain ammounts of information, It's overall just harder to notice especially if the person with the disorder isn't very expressive emotionally and rationally (might not share the problems the invidual have). So that's why I voted for NLD, don't get me wrong, both have some problems that are infuriating after a while.


Up to 80% of people with AS also meet the criteria for NVLD.

Also, in this case, the "learning disability" part actually describes impairments that many autistic people have.

Lack of specificity to define both conditions as entirely separate from each other makes it difficult-to-impossible to judge that NVLD means being worse off than AS.


I agree with you, but Asperger's is still usually more obvious and noticable in comparision to a reglar NLD person, it's also harder to indentify the particular problem the NLD person has, meaning that it may not be seen. You're still correct to be honest.



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24 Apr 2014, 6:16 am

Verdandi wrote:
Quantum wrote:
Asperger's is quite obvious when the right people knows it, it's usually not associated with nonlearning disorder meaning that it is easier to bare with it if you're excluding the personal problems that might occur because of Asperger's. NLD on the other hand tend to go undiagnosed making it very difficult to live with as you might not be able to grasp certain ammounts of information, It's overall just harder to notice especially if the person with the disorder isn't very expressive emotionally and rationally (might not share the problems the invidual have). So that's why I voted for NLD, don't get me wrong, both have some problems that are infuriating after a while.


Up to 80% of people with AS also meet the criteria for NVLD.

Also, in this case, the "learning disability" part actually describes impairments that many autistic people have.

Lack of specificity to define both conditions as entirely separate from each other makes it difficult-to-impossible to judge that NVLD means being worse off than AS.

Let's assume that NLD means NLD without Asperger's and Asperger's means Asperger's without NLD.


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24 Apr 2014, 7:14 am

DevilKisses wrote:
Let's assume that NLD means NLD without Asperger's and Asperger's means Asperger's without NLD.


Sorry, I wasn't trying to sway people to my side or stop your poll. My first post in this thread was my reaction to AS without NLD and NLD without AS. My second post was more detailed and focused on the comorbidity and similarities.

Basically, I can't answer the question, is my point. Other people clearly can. All is well. :)



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24 Apr 2014, 7:23 am

Isn't Asperger Syndrome/autism a non-verbal learning disability anyway?

Plus rigid routines, circumscribed interests, often sensory issues, poor theory of mind, poor self-help skills, language/speech problems, self-injurious behaviours.



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24 Apr 2014, 12:12 pm

The NV part of NVLD is more about non-verbal specifically visual-spatial deficits. The non-verbal social processing deficits of autism are part of the broader social cognition deficits, so autism is not a non-verbal learning disability in the way that NVLD is.


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24 Apr 2014, 12:37 pm

Yup. They are similar but aspergers is not NLVD despite the great intersection. A person with nld for instance will have trouble learning things that are not verbal, like maths, while this is not necessarily true for aspies
this is how they make the differentiation, by the learning disability. Many people receive both diagnosis, anyway. But maybe in the future we may find out nld and aspergers are actually part of the same condition, who knows.



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19 Feb 2015, 2:50 am

I think that current use of the term NLD is VERY misleading. For me there is not such a thing like "social NLD". This name is blatant for me. So-called "S-NLD" is for me a branch of PDD which is for me a sort of "Aspieness", but it appears to be not related to childhood autism. Pure NLD does not give social ineptitude. Dyssemia (nonverbal communciation impairment) and other social communication issues should not be classified as learning disorders.

I have "odd", strong interests, but I rather do not bother with rigid routines and need for sameness, which are boring and without sense for me. My sensory problems are relatively mild. I am strong in auditory/intuitive/verbal thinking and poor in visual. But I was diagnosed with Asperger's (F84.5). I think that this diagnosis is proper. For me not all sorts of "Asperger's" are related to Kanner's syndrome and are etiologically in one spectrum with it!

For me ASD and "NVLD" are distinct sorts of the same condition ("complex developmental disorders" (CDDs), unlike specific ones such as dyslexia and dyscalculia, CDDs are usually marked socio-emotional problems, often with problems in executive functioning and "somatic" issues, such as sensory anomalies, they are not only cognitive/scholatic anomalies/disorders), which probably are not related to themselves etiologically. But I would also classify "nonverbal learning disability syndrome" as a pervasive developmental disorder, some types of "NLD" are for me also sorts of autism.

For me sensory issues and cognitive problems of many "classic" Aspies looks very bad, I may wonder why they appear to be higer functioning than me. NLD gives other sort of cognitive problems (especially visual-spatial deficits). I think that I have "NLD profile", but learning in school was my "profitable" strength.



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19 Feb 2015, 5:18 pm

NLDers.

They face the same problems as aspies(they even experience information overload and can have some sort of "special interests") but also are unable to learn anything without a verbal instruction and fail at math.
Aspies without NLD are good at math and can figure something out by just seeing it even if they don't hear any verbal explanation.

An aspie can solve practical problems without other people around. A NLDer needs other people to explain him how something works before he can solve a practical problem.



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19 Feb 2015, 6:31 pm

It's not uncommon for people with Asperger's to have NVLD, too. I'm one of them.



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19 Feb 2015, 9:56 pm

DevilKisses wrote:
The title says it all.


why compare?



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19 Feb 2015, 10:01 pm

I think it's a case-by-case thing...