Be nice to nerds. You might end up working for one someday.

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30 Oct 2016, 12:40 pm

The quote "Be nice to nerds. You might end up working for one someday" which is often attributed to Bill Gates has plagued me for years. Who is more nerdy than those with AS? And yet most of the people I know with AS are either unemployed or underemployed, especially if they didn't major in computer science, engineering, or business (I was an English major), while almost all of the successful people I know are NT and were often popular and attractive in high school and college. I deleted my LinkedIn at one point because I couldn't stand seeing all the people who bullied me becoming more successful than I was. Now I am less bitter than I was before when I wrote viewtopic.php?f=3&t=286142 and have a decent and humble retail job which I enjoy, but that quote as well as "The meek shall inherit the Earth" still haunt me because most of the people I know with AS are now less successful than I am. Are those quotes flawed? Does it give us an unjustified feeling of entitlement to believe that the popular jocks will be bagboys while we become successful? Should the quote be amended to "Be nice to nerds, unless they major in English and/or have AS, then bully the s**t out of them?" I don't get it.



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30 Oct 2016, 1:22 pm

I'd have thought it would be easier for Aspies to get employed, because most Aspies can be intelligent, detail-orientated, honest, and less likely to b***h about others.

Unfortunately I do not have those quality Aspie traits, but those of you that do, you'd have thought employers would WANT more people like you!

That just goes to show what society thinks of Aspies. :(


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30 Oct 2016, 2:16 pm

JohnnyLurg wrote:
The quote "Be nice to nerds. You might end up working for one someday" which is often attributed to Bill Gates has plagued me for years. Who is more nerdy than those with AS? And yet most of the people I know with AS are either unemployed or underemployed, especially if they didn't major in computer science, engineering, or business (I was an English major), while almost all of the successful people I know are NT and were often popular and attractive in high school and college. I deleted my LinkedIn at one point because I couldn't stand seeing all the people who bullied me becoming more successful than I was. Now I am less bitter than I was before when I wrote viewtopic.php?f=3&t=286142 and have a decent and humble retail job which I enjoy, but that quote as well as "The meek shall inherit the Earth" still haunt me because most of the people I know with AS are now less successful than I am. Are those quotes flawed? Does it give us an unjustified feeling of entitlement to believe that the popular jocks will be bagboys while we become successful? Should the quote be amended to "Be nice to nerds, unless they major in English and/or have AS, then bully the s**t out of them?" I don't get it.


I used to feel sad about this but now I see the whole thing differently. I decided a few years ago what I want my life to be all about; if you like, what my definition of success is. My definition, for me, is to maintain my home, my son and myself in a basic but gentle and honest way, to act lovingly to the people around me whenever I can and when I am well enough to work honestly at something which helps people. That's it.

I have a degree from a major UK university and higher level qualfications too but I am only able to work in a low paid job. I am a fully qualified teacher up to undergrad level but I can only work as a part-time
special needs support assistant because of my health (I have a neuropathic pain condition). By the world's standards I could feel sad that I am not able to make more of my life, but the fact is I am doing the best I can manage.

So I judge myself by the standard I chose - which is really about trying to be loving to my son, my self, my neighbours and my society. In that respect I am succeeding - I am appreciated very much at work, especially by the children, I take a full part in my church and help people there whenever I can, I help my neighbours and I love my son very very much and do all I can to help him. It is more than enough for a good life. Success in the eyes of the world - well I can do without that. Most people I read about who are really successful in a worldy sense are also terribly dis-satisfied and unhappy. If that's success - they can keep it. I choose a simple life with a lot of love in it.


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30 Oct 2016, 4:27 pm

JohnnyLurg wrote:
Who is more nerdy than those with AS? And yet most of the people I know with AS are either unemployed or underemployed, especially if they didn't major in computer science, engineering, or business (I was an English major), while almost all of the successful people I know are NT and were often popular and attractive in high school and college.


Perhaps you should re-evaluate the premise that people with Asperger's syndrome are nerdy.



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30 Oct 2016, 4:35 pm

I'm probably one of the most nerdy guys going. 8)



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30 Oct 2016, 5:02 pm

starkid wrote:
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Who is more nerdy than those with AS? And yet most of the people I know with AS are either unemployed or underemployed, especially if they didn't major in computer science, engineering, or business (I was an English major), while almost all of the successful people I know are NT and were often popular and attractive in high school and college.


Perhaps you should re-evaluate the premise that people with Asperger's syndrome are nerdy.


Perhaps I should reevaluate the premises that you actually know any people with Asperger's and that you aren't a troll.



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30 Oct 2016, 5:05 pm

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I'd have thought it would be easier for Aspies to get employed, because most Aspies can be intelligent, detail-orientated, honest, and less likely to b***h about others.

Unfortunately I do not have those quality Aspie traits, but those of you that do, you'd have thought employers would WANT more people like you!

That just goes to show what society thinks of Aspies. :(

Most employers want team players, skilful communicators and "people people".

A whole lot of what I'm not.


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30 Oct 2016, 5:06 pm

JohnnyLurg wrote:
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Perhaps you should re-evaluate the premise that people with Asperger's syndrome are nerdy.


Perhaps I should reevaluate the premises that you actually know any people with Asperger's and that you aren't a troll.


What in the world are you talking about??? You certainly should re-evaluate it because I've never said or implied that I know any people with Asperger's syndrome.



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30 Oct 2016, 5:47 pm

starkid wrote:
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starkid wrote:

Perhaps you should re-evaluate the premise that people with Asperger's syndrome are nerdy.


Perhaps I should reevaluate the premises that you actually know any people with Asperger's and that you aren't a troll.


What in the world are you talking about??? You certainly should re-evaluate it because I've never said or implied that I know any people with Asperger's syndrome.



I don't understand how you can say that people with Asperger's aren't nerdy, that makes me think you don't know anyone who has it. And I assumed you know people with Asperger's or have it yourself like I assume everyone on this forum does or is, otherwise why would you be on this forum except to troll?



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30 Oct 2016, 6:05 pm

JohnnyLurg wrote:
I don't understand how you can say that people with Asperger's aren't nerdy,

I did not say that.

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that makes me think you don't know anyone who has it. And I assumed you know people with Asperger's or have it yourself like I assume everyone on this forum does or is, otherwise why would you be on this forum except to troll?


The bolded text is your problem here. You have assumed far too much.

This forum is not only for people with Asperger's syndrome. Have you noticed, for example, that we have sub-forums for parents of autistic children and people with other conditions?



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30 Oct 2016, 6:53 pm

I'm not nerdy.


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30 Oct 2016, 6:56 pm

I'm more of a Sid than a nerd. Fat, cuddly and slow. :O)


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30 Oct 2016, 7:04 pm

I'm not nerdy at all lol but ok



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30 Oct 2016, 7:06 pm

JohnnyLurg wrote:
I don't understand how you can say that people with Asperger's aren't nerdy, that makes me think you don't know anyone who has it. And I assumed you know people with Asperger's or have it yourself like I assume everyone on this forum does or is, otherwise why would you be on this forum except to troll?



Well specifically what ways are people with aspergers nerdy? seems the term varies a bit in meaning depending on who you talk to. And I kind of doubt everyone on the spectrum is nerdy, there are plenty of people without aspergers who are as well. I myself consider myself more of a metalhead though people do accuse metalheads of being nerds as well.

Either way I don't think I'll be having people work for me anytime soon, more likely I will be working for others.


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30 Oct 2016, 8:29 pm

1st- I don't believe in those quotes. :lol: Nor see myself as a nerd. Wait, no --scratch that. No one calls me that because such term here does not exists. 'Nerd' or being too smart, nor people calling out someone's privileges or 'tall poppy syndrome' does not exists in my environment unless I grew up in higher social hierarchy (which I'm not. Haha). Anti-intellects probably, but not the former. Sooo everything I said could be pretty much voided.
2nd- There's no true definition of 'team player'. Only people with communication skills and are able to assess their skills and confidence to the task. And this isn't a common skill for NTs. Most NTs are all-agreeing, and are stuck on their cultural limits -- something most people calls it a 'teamplayer'.
3rd- Aspies 'special skills' are more of a huge bonus IF one can figure how to convince people their tools and methods than just all-agreeing. Being an NT, isn't enough to take initiative even if they do have the skill that may match an aspie's.
4th- Being a boss takes too much work. I settle to right-hands person. Being a tech expert doesn't make you a better manager. And being a manager is more of a no-no to 'nerdy aspies' unless you're aiming to be an advocate or some sort.




TLDR:
Regardless, 1st and foremost step should be: "If you see one Autistic, you see one Autistic." :mrgreen: Before having a conclusion that every aspie is a nerd, obsessed with STEM subjects with high IQ and awkward, or a depressed sociophobic anxious wreck because they were fragile and bullied. :x


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30 Oct 2016, 10:13 pm

Yep...

Seems to me that my bullies are real successful too.

I use pseudonyms on the internet because there are bunches of people from the past that I have zero desire to be in contact with again. No school reunions for the same reason-- my classmates weren't nice when I was in school with them. No desire to catch up with them now.

Not all nerds are aspies.

However people get to be financially successful has eluded me.

They may be rich but they are stuck with themselves.