Autism and AS and the Relation to Vaccines

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18 Nov 2016, 8:24 pm

Hi. First post here. After a meeting with my Psychiatrist today, he suggested that I may not suffer from Anti-Social Personality Disorder as previously thought, but rather might suffer from AS. After doing some research, I lined the symptoms of AS up with the majority of my daily interactions and characteristics. After speaking briefly to my mother about it, she theorized that my AS may be a result of three vaccines I had received simultaneously in infant hood. She stated that I become very ill, did not move much at all for the better part of a week, and that after I become well again I was "never the same kid." Her theory sparked my interest, as I have heard of other similar cases. I would like to get the users of WP take on this.



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18 Nov 2016, 9:03 pm

Trolling is not permitted, if you really do think it's vaccines then how come there are people with autism born after 1992 when the ingredient blamed was taken out?


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18 Nov 2016, 9:16 pm

There is no subject more studied in the field of autism research than whether vaccines cause it. The overwhelming conclusion is no. For a good source of science on this subject, you can research it on pubmed. Do not just surf the internet. We've been flooded with blogs and alt.health articles from people cherry picking a few contrary studies to "prove" that they are righter than science, and of course, there are always those who simply feel that its a conspiracy to line the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies.

This subject is volatile and likely to cause fights. I'm giving the OP the benefit of the doubt though. If he's really new to all this, he won't know yet that it is so.

Vaccine damage is possible, but rare. It can affect your nervous system. It's also possible that you got a vaccine and got mild ill from it at a time in your life when you would have been exibiting more autism traits anyways. That's what all those vaccine studies show. In families where they don't vaccinate, children also start to exhibit signs of autism around 2 years of age - right around when we give a big old dose of vaccines.



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18 Nov 2016, 9:24 pm

My apologies to anybody who may have been offended, I was not by any means trolling. I am new to all this and obviously I will conduct additional study.



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18 Nov 2016, 11:06 pm

This is a site for autistic people. Sometimes, we react more strongly than we should to a perceived offense. It's part of the socially awkward thing. So, I hope you'll remember this and grant us a little leeway if you catch us off guard and we get a bit snippy with you. It's an autism thing for a lot of us, myself included. And hopefully, you can see yourself in this, too, and learn to give yourself some leeway.



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19 Nov 2016, 3:41 am

tickle513 wrote:
My apologies to anybody who may have been offended, I was not by any means trolling. I am new to all this and obviously I will conduct additional study.


People on this forum are very stubborn about vaccines causing autism, and may attack any OP that mentions it.


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19 Nov 2016, 9:53 am

When Leo Kanner was helping to discover autism back in the 1930's and 1940's he noted that at around the toddler age many but not all autistics started showing severe traits. This phenomenon is known as regressive autism. There were not many if any vaccines back then. Now there is and children receive them at the toddler age. Often an autistic toddler receives their vaccinations and severe traits appear right after that so parents are naturally going to think there must be a connection. No peer reviewed study and there has been a bunch of them has proved vaccines causes autism. Yet there are bunch of people known as anti vaxxers that believe vaccines cause autism and the drug companies are paying off the scientists and the media to rig the studies.

Autism historians which there are only a few at this point have pointed out that there were people who showed many autistic traits hundreds of years ago well before there were vaccines.


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19 Nov 2016, 10:28 am

Welcome to the forum,

I would tend to agree with AsPartofMe's post above, which is that many autistic people show some significant first signs at he same age at which in modern times people receive important vaccinations. The timing has suggested a link, BUT, the one study which suggested such, was later retracted by the majority of its authors and the journal in which is was published and the results of that study have not been reproduced in studies by other researchers.

The study was also found fatally flawed by an undeclared conflict of interest on the part of the lead researcher, who was also being retained as an advisor by a law firm seeking to bring a legal action against a drug company. There is further concern that some of the results were falsified to fit the result the study was wanting to present.



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19 Nov 2016, 2:38 pm

tickle513 wrote:
Hi. First post here. After a meeting with my Psychiatrist today, he suggested that I may not suffer from Anti-Social Personality Disorder as previously thought, but rather might suffer from AS. After doing some research, I lined the symptoms of AS up with the majority of my daily interactions and characteristics. After speaking briefly to my mother about it, she theorized that my AS may be a result of three vaccines I had received simultaneously in infant hood. She stated that I become very ill, did not move much at all for the better part of a week, and that after I become well again I was "never the same kid." Her theory sparked my interest, as I have heard of other similar cases. I would like to get the users of WP take on this.

If you are a troll, That is against the rules, if not That is blatant crap.


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19 Nov 2016, 3:45 pm

Andrew Wakefield the doctor behind the paper that files most anti vaxxers claims of links to autism had his medical license revoked in 2010 for 'dishonesty and irresponsibly' over his behavior in conducting the experiments he performed. Google Andrew Wakefield struck from register.

Current research indicates autism is primarily caused by your genetics. Google autism and genetics or something similar



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19 Nov 2016, 8:12 pm

Vaccines don't cross the blood-brain barrier. People just like to speculate Autism "causes" because there really isn't one. It is still very much unknown why Autism occurs.



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19 Nov 2016, 9:58 pm

Right now, autism can only be defined as a set of behaviours. Perhaps there are many reasons why a person exhibits those behaviours. For one person, it might be something in the environment. For another person, it is genetic. Who knows, maybe there is a rare person who was allergic to something in a vaccine and had a reaction that caused these behaviours. That doesn't mean it is the de-facto cause; it was only for that one person.


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