Perceptions between Aspies vs NTs

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I am curious why NTs have lack of empathy and perception towards Aspies while us Aspies have to learn how to be empathetic towards NT?

I find that totally unfair. We are living in even more bigoted world because of alcohol and media influences that ever changing relationships and communication connections between people. I have psychologists for 8 years. They made me develop maturity early in my life, especially early 20's. Soon I be turning 26. I am more socially mature than many people around my age.

The observations from intelligent and serious personality types of people always see me socially intelligent and smart human being. While Type A personality which is the majority of socially minded people who are not intelligent always see me and other Aspies are negative people. Hence they have no idea what and how to talk and deal with us. The intelligent personalities tend to sympathise and work together as one. Problem solving and analytical abilities are sorely missed in immature and socially minded people.

So back to the point why they dont have an ability to learn the perceptions like us Aspies have counseling? I know a lot of people in my network go counseling to overcome their anxiety and depression. Nothing about 'life skills' taken account. Our schools in Australia doesn't have compulsory life skills classes. That might explain why we have apathetic society.

I often ask myself the same question. NT people treat us rotten and have no respect or any consideration for our feelings. They wonder why we don't always like the things they like and we often get made fun of for it, as though they can't see things from our view. We walk down the street and get shown up and humiliated by grown adults who think it's funny to show someone up just because they look a little odd.
And saying "oh NTs pick on us for survival" or whatever it is, just makes bullying sound acceptable. It happens every day, not just to autistics but to lots of non-autistics too, and some of it isn't just mild teasing. It's horrendous; victims being set on fire, or being almost beaten to death...for what? That person is autistic, get over it. What is the matter with these people? Surely there's no empathy there; thinking it's funny when you've just physically and/or emotionally hurt a person, and having no guilty feelings.

Sorry, I just get so angry. And, by the way, my post did sound like a generalized "us vs them" rant, so I'm going to add that a lot of NT people are not bullies and do try to understand us. But what I mean was people who have made our lives unhappy are/were most probably NTs.

I think a lot of it is down to people being ridiculously self centered so they do these horrible things for their own entertainment or to show off to their mates that they're bullying someone vulnerable cause they're ever so tough right?

People will always have really closed minded low intelligence societal views, you can't change them you just have to accept that they are ridiculous/ignorant and move on to more deserving people.

I don't think most NTs would bother to try and understand someone with AS if they were selfish and just as it is most people are selfish and couldn't give a crap unless it was about themselves or their relationship with someone with AS. There are really caring people everywhere though who couldn't give a monkeys if you had AS or not, they just see it as a quirk, diamonds in the s**t heap as I like to call them. If you can find these nice individuals then you're going to be fine and it's not like there aren't plenty of them out there because they are.

Also, the more you come to an understanding of society and people in general - a lot of it is unfair, it's rare I do ever see fair things anymore.

It seems like a strange paradox, but really its not. When NTs use the word "empathy", they actually mean the ability to understand, "read" and then feel other NTs' emotional state. But, make no mistake, this ability is in no way universal... in fact it is limited by geographic boundaries. This is because empathy relies entirely on a common, shared language of non-verbal gestures (hand motions, facial movements, etc.), and these languages evolve in parallel with verbal language and culture. Example: someone from Western Europe will find it much harder to empathise with someone from Eastern Europe (than they would someone much closer to home). The further away someone is in cultural terms, the weaker the empathic link.

Where do Aspies fit into this? Well, I think we do make non-verbal gestures, but in a completely non-standard way that isn't even recognisable as a single cultural group. This makes us rather inscrutable to most other humans, and they really don't like that. To get an idea of how much they don't like that, read about "the uncanny valley", because that's how I have sometimes been described by NTs... like some of the characters in early CGI movies (Polar Express) where the human beings were described as "creepy". (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley).

I personally don't believe that there is this unified collective called NTs. I however do believe that there is a diverse society. And I believe that by its very definition, autism is not geared to operate correctly within a society. But that's not exactly the fault of society. I myself do not view my autism as a neurotype, but rather as a neurological disorder. The question is, is society as a whole at fault for not knowing how to properly accommodate my disorder? Personally I don't think so. My teachers at the school for autistics I attended, require extensive training on how to work with us properly.

I think it's the way empathy is defined. When people use the word empathy, they use it to describe "caring, thoughtful, considerate, understanding, tolerant, and able to put oneself into another person's shoes". It's until threads like these pop up that empathy is suddenly described as "reading body language" and not all the other words it usually gets recognised as.

There was a recent survey from Scope UK on able bodied people and their communication with disabled population. Their report says that up to 20% of people age between 16 and 36 have no confidence to have a conversation with disabled people. That is quite clear evidence that NTs may have no empathy towards Aspies.

Minority, minority, minority~

Get an NT from a minority background, with a minority like manners, with minority like beliefs. Then said minority is either infamous or disgusted by the majority. Said NT cultural majority is the 'superior culture', and is intolerant because of their ethnocentrism believing that their beliefs are the right ones.

Now, mix those two. See the results. It won't be pretty -- most at the time.
Then try inversing it -- which becomes funnier. And even funnier for me that it's how my current country is towards some tourists in some regions. Sometimes, towards myself all because people around me would rather marvel the foreign. Still, it's frustrating that I almost never had any equal treatment. It's either 'superior' or 'inferior'. Or even both! Just not equal.


Only difference between an NT minority from an native aspie is that an aspie remain an 'alien' even if they are born and grew up with the so-called 'superior culture of intolerance'. Therefore, aspies 'job' is to 'accommodate' NTs' 'social needs'. Because they're 'too high functioning to be autistic!' Because 'hey! you look normal so act normal!'
And some NTs think it's the other way around, either out of respect(allowing aspies as themselves) or disrespect(seeing aspies as 'whiners', 'brats', etc..) Or concern (because they 'can't help it'! Being disabled and all that). But one does not know what other's intentions are... Tsky.


Sorry, I'm a in a funny mood today.

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Are we truly wierd? No. there is no such thing. I feel like theres a grid. With neurotypical at the middle. and neurodiversity off of it. Neurodiversity being aspergers, HFA, psychopathy, and biopolar. Aspergers is quite invisible yet it just irks people on a natural level.

That like making assumption of your behaviour. Think of having reactions from meth, ice and that. People tend to become irky of non reality behaviour. So having invisible disabilities isn't a problem itself. It how people see from the outside, hence assumptions.

NTs rarely have much time listening and spending with psychologists as much Aspies do for their learning life skills. That is another factor explaining what is going on.