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MentalIllnessObsessed
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Joined: 22 Jul 2016
Age: 25
Gender: Female
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Location: Ontario, Canada
07 Feb 2017, 11:48 pm
Greetings. No one on here can say for sure whether you have autism or not. You have said you have social impairments. Like what type of social impairments? Here is the types of social impairments that the DSM-V define in the criteria of Autism Spectrum Disorder:
Quote:
Persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction across multiple contexts, as manifested by the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive; see text):
1. Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, ranging, for example, from abnormal social approach and failure of normal back-and-forth conversation; to reduced sharing of interests, emotions, or affect; to failure to initiate or respond to social interactions.
2. Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction, ranging, for example, from poorly integrated verbal and nonverbal communication; to abnormalities in eye contact and body language or deficits in understanding and use of gestures; to a total lack of facial expressions and nonverbal communication.
3. Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understand relationships, ranging, for example, from difficulties adjusting behavior to suit various social contexts; to difficulties in sharing imaginative play or in making friends; to absence of interest in peers.
1. Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, ranging, for example, from abnormal social approach and failure of normal back-and-forth conversation; to reduced sharing of interests, emotions, or affect; to failure to initiate or respond to social interactions.
2. Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction, ranging, for example, from poorly integrated verbal and nonverbal communication; to abnormalities in eye contact and body language or deficits in understanding and use of gestures; to a total lack of facial expressions and nonverbal communication.
3. Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understand relationships, ranging, for example, from difficulties adjusting behavior to suit various social contexts; to difficulties in sharing imaginative play or in making friends; to absence of interest in peers.
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/hcp-dsm.html
For the DSM-V, you have to show all three of these in some kind. Lack of eye contact is a common and more well-known symptom, but not everyone has this symptom. For me, I tend to not use eye contact when I'm anxious like talking with unfamiliar people, but if I am relaxed like being with people I know, then I use eye contact.
When you say you don't stim or have obsessive interests, this doesn't mean you don't have autism. You need two of the four from this category. I'll post it below, from the same site as above
Quote:
Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities, as manifested by at least two of the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive; see text):
1. Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, use of objects, or speech (e.g., simple motor stereotypes, lining up toys or flipping objects, echolalia, idiosyncratic phrases).
2. Insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines, or ritualized patterns of verbal or nonverbal behavior (e.g., extreme distress at small changes, difficulties with transitions, rigid thinking patterns, greeting rituals, need to take same route or eat same food every day).
3. Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus (e.g., strong attachment to or preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively circumscribed or perseverative interests).
4. Hyper- or hyporeactivity to sensory input or unusual interest in sensory aspects of the environment (e.g. apparent indifference to pain/temperature, adverse response to specific sounds or textures, excessive smelling or touching of objects, visual fascination with lights or movement).
1. Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, use of objects, or speech (e.g., simple motor stereotypes, lining up toys or flipping objects, echolalia, idiosyncratic phrases).
2. Insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines, or ritualized patterns of verbal or nonverbal behavior (e.g., extreme distress at small changes, difficulties with transitions, rigid thinking patterns, greeting rituals, need to take same route or eat same food every day).
3. Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus (e.g., strong attachment to or preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively circumscribed or perseverative interests).
4. Hyper- or hyporeactivity to sensory input or unusual interest in sensory aspects of the environment (e.g. apparent indifference to pain/temperature, adverse response to specific sounds or textures, excessive smelling or touching of objects, visual fascination with lights or movement).
So you could have routines or ritualized patterns and sensory issues and no obsessive interests or stims and still be diagnosed with autism.
Also, if you don't have the restrictive or repetitive behaviours, but do have social skills problems, you could have something called social communication disorder, which is new to the DSM V. It's basically the first part of the criteria I posted above. And also there is sensory processing disorder, which is basically criteria 4 on the second criteria of autism spectrum disorder. So you could have both of these and not autism if you don't satisfied the second part of the criteria.
Another thing, when a psychologist says that you are able to hold a conversation, it doesn't mean you don't have autism. I'm a bit surprised a psychologist would say this, but many people with autism, especially more higher functioning autistics can hold a conversation, but feel emotionally drained from it or it was scripted in their head. Many autistic people have gotten practice over the years as you stated too, so maybe the signs aren't as apparent when people first meet you.
Social anxiety may be similar to autism in terms of the social skills part, but not necessarily. People with social anxiety only have good social skills for sure when they are around familiar people. Many people with autism and social anxiety (like me) show more signs of autism when anxious because social anxiety makes the symptoms more noticeable or worse. Also, people with just social anxiety have no restrictive and/or repetitive behaviours.
There are a lot more differential diagnosis for autism such as AD/HD or NVLD (non-verbal learning disorder), but I feel this is good for now, plus I'm not a professional. Hope this helps
08 Feb 2017, 2:13 pm
MentalIllnessObsessed wrote:
Greetings. No one on here can say for sure whether you have autism or not. You have said you have social impairments. Like what type of social impairments? Here is the types of social impairments that the DSM-V define in the criteria of Autism Spectrum Disorder:
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/hcp-dsm.html
For the DSM-V, you have to show all three of these in some kind. Lack of eye contact is a common and more well-known symptom, but not everyone has this symptom. For me, I tend to not use eye contact when I'm anxious like talking with unfamiliar people, but if I am relaxed like being with people I know, then I use eye contact.
When you say you don't stim or have obsessive interests, this doesn't mean you don't have autism. You need two of the four from this category. I'll post it below, from the same site as above
So you could have routines or ritualized patterns and sensory issues and no obsessive interests or stims and still be diagnosed with autism.
Also, if you don't have the restrictive or repetitive behaviours, but do have social skills problems, you could have something called social communication disorder, which is new to the DSM V. It's basically the first part of the criteria I posted above. And also there is sensory processing disorder, which is basically criteria 4 on the second criteria of autism spectrum disorder. So you could have both of these and not autism if you don't satisfied the second part of the criteria.
Another thing, when a psychologist says that you are able to hold a conversation, it doesn't mean you don't have autism. I'm a bit surprised a psychologist would say this, but many people with autism, especially more higher functioning autistics can hold a conversation, but feel emotionally drained from it or it was scripted in their head. Many autistic people have gotten practice over the years as you stated too, so maybe the signs aren't as apparent when people first meet you.
Social anxiety may be similar to autism in terms of the social skills part, but not necessarily. People with social anxiety only have good social skills for sure when they are around familiar people. Many people with autism and social anxiety (like me) show more signs of autism when anxious because social anxiety makes the symptoms more noticeable or worse. Also, people with just social anxiety have no restrictive and/or repetitive behaviours.
There are a lot more differential diagnosis for autism such as AD/HD or NVLD (non-verbal learning disorder), but I feel this is good for now, plus I'm not a professional. Hope this helps
Quote:
Persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction across multiple contexts, as manifested by the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive; see text):
1. Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, ranging, for example, from abnormal social approach and failure of normal back-and-forth conversation; to reduced sharing of interests, emotions, or affect; to failure to initiate or respond to social interactions.
2. Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction, ranging, for example, from poorly integrated verbal and nonverbal communication; to abnormalities in eye contact and body language or deficits in understanding and use of gestures; to a total lack of facial expressions and nonverbal communication.
3. Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understand relationships, ranging, for example, from difficulties adjusting behavior to suit various social contexts; to difficulties in sharing imaginative play or in making friends; to absence of interest in peers.
1. Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, ranging, for example, from abnormal social approach and failure of normal back-and-forth conversation; to reduced sharing of interests, emotions, or affect; to failure to initiate or respond to social interactions.
2. Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction, ranging, for example, from poorly integrated verbal and nonverbal communication; to abnormalities in eye contact and body language or deficits in understanding and use of gestures; to a total lack of facial expressions and nonverbal communication.
3. Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understand relationships, ranging, for example, from difficulties adjusting behavior to suit various social contexts; to difficulties in sharing imaginative play or in making friends; to absence of interest in peers.
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/hcp-dsm.html
For the DSM-V, you have to show all three of these in some kind. Lack of eye contact is a common and more well-known symptom, but not everyone has this symptom. For me, I tend to not use eye contact when I'm anxious like talking with unfamiliar people, but if I am relaxed like being with people I know, then I use eye contact.
When you say you don't stim or have obsessive interests, this doesn't mean you don't have autism. You need two of the four from this category. I'll post it below, from the same site as above
Quote:
Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities, as manifested by at least two of the following, currently or by history (examples are illustrative, not exhaustive; see text):
1. Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, use of objects, or speech (e.g., simple motor stereotypes, lining up toys or flipping objects, echolalia, idiosyncratic phrases).
2. Insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines, or ritualized patterns of verbal or nonverbal behavior (e.g., extreme distress at small changes, difficulties with transitions, rigid thinking patterns, greeting rituals, need to take same route or eat same food every day).
3. Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus (e.g., strong attachment to or preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively circumscribed or perseverative interests).
4. Hyper- or hyporeactivity to sensory input or unusual interest in sensory aspects of the environment (e.g. apparent indifference to pain/temperature, adverse response to specific sounds or textures, excessive smelling or touching of objects, visual fascination with lights or movement).
1. Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, use of objects, or speech (e.g., simple motor stereotypes, lining up toys or flipping objects, echolalia, idiosyncratic phrases).
2. Insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines, or ritualized patterns of verbal or nonverbal behavior (e.g., extreme distress at small changes, difficulties with transitions, rigid thinking patterns, greeting rituals, need to take same route or eat same food every day).
3. Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus (e.g., strong attachment to or preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively circumscribed or perseverative interests).
4. Hyper- or hyporeactivity to sensory input or unusual interest in sensory aspects of the environment (e.g. apparent indifference to pain/temperature, adverse response to specific sounds or textures, excessive smelling or touching of objects, visual fascination with lights or movement).
So you could have routines or ritualized patterns and sensory issues and no obsessive interests or stims and still be diagnosed with autism.
Also, if you don't have the restrictive or repetitive behaviours, but do have social skills problems, you could have something called social communication disorder, which is new to the DSM V. It's basically the first part of the criteria I posted above. And also there is sensory processing disorder, which is basically criteria 4 on the second criteria of autism spectrum disorder. So you could have both of these and not autism if you don't satisfied the second part of the criteria.
Another thing, when a psychologist says that you are able to hold a conversation, it doesn't mean you don't have autism. I'm a bit surprised a psychologist would say this, but many people with autism, especially more higher functioning autistics can hold a conversation, but feel emotionally drained from it or it was scripted in their head. Many autistic people have gotten practice over the years as you stated too, so maybe the signs aren't as apparent when people first meet you.
Social anxiety may be similar to autism in terms of the social skills part, but not necessarily. People with social anxiety only have good social skills for sure when they are around familiar people. Many people with autism and social anxiety (like me) show more signs of autism when anxious because social anxiety makes the symptoms more noticeable or worse. Also, people with just social anxiety have no restrictive and/or repetitive behaviours.
There are a lot more differential diagnosis for autism such as AD/HD or NVLD (non-verbal learning disorder), but I feel this is good for now, plus I'm not a professional. Hope this helps
Thanks a lot for this detailed answer! Really helpful
I actually have an ADD diagnosis (I made my username on here, lazyflower, before I knew. I just thought I was lazy haha)
08 Feb 2017, 2:20 pm
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