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04 Feb 2017, 9:32 pm

Now that I'm more familiar with the signs of HFA, all the lights are suddenly going on and I can think of several people I've known, and some I've been close to, who were probably HFA. It's all suddenly becoming clear now. I'm thinking of a couple people, including one ex-girlfriend, who are screamingly obviously autistic.

Is there any danger with this? Is it possible to project my own problems onto others, and to see HFA in someone else when it isn't there? What's the danger of misreading people, even if it's just in my own mind? What about conversations with these individuals about autism? Have you had any experience with this?


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04 Feb 2017, 10:33 pm

You can certainly be mistaken, assuming that similar results imply similar causes, so I'd proceed cautiously if you are seeing many cases. However, we generally find it a relief to understand the situation, so overall, trying to share a DX is a good thing. I once spotted a HFA on a listserv, coping with a business and family of his own, and he was only unhappy that he hadn't noticed it himself. He would have, but he'd never run across a list of common characteristics before. I should probably call another old friend, who is even more classic.



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04 Feb 2017, 10:43 pm

The "danger" is that often when you look for something you'll begin finding it where it doesn't exist. Even if its a Dx you have yourself, you may "find" others who seem to share your traits, but not your Dx. There's probably little harm as long as you're aware of what you're doing and keep your "discoveries" to yourself.

I have no idea how you'd properly broach the subject of "Are you HFA too?" outside of a dedicated forum.



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04 Feb 2017, 11:12 pm

Dear_one wrote:
You can certainly be mistaken, assuming that similar results imply similar causes, so I'd proceed cautiously if you are seeing many cases.


Of the people I've known well enough in the last four years to make a good judgment on it, I can think of two obvious cases of HFA, and 2 or 3 possible cases. So I'm not exactly seeing it everywhere. Also, I do wonder if autistics are drawn to each other, so it's possible that I would have more of them among the people I know than the average person would.

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I have no idea how you'd properly broach the subject of "Are you HFA too?" outside of a dedicated forum.

For most of HFAs and possible HFAs I know, I wouldn't see much point in it. But there is one HFA that I'd really like to talk to about it, and ex-girlfriend of mine. I'm not ready to approach her about it yet, but if/when I decide to, I'll probably dedicate a separate thread to it and ask a therapist about it.


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04 Feb 2017, 11:27 pm

Talking about your own discovery is not rude, and may be all they need.



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05 Feb 2017, 4:04 am

In my experience, yes, we're drawn together. I can usually spot another aspie with no trouble. I wish my gaydar was equally as good!

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Talking about your own discovery is not rude, and may be all they need.


This is how I would approach it - I'd tell them about my own diagnosis and leave it to them to mull it over. Nothing more than that as I'm not qualified.



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05 Feb 2017, 5:51 am

One can spot autistic traits. They may be traits caused by another condition or because they are a introverted, quirky NT. Even when observing a person for a long period of time you can not know what is going inside a person, what they are thinking inside, what they were like as a child, or what they are like in private. One can be highly suspicious of autism in another person. If you are certain other people are autistic you are the problem.


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05 Feb 2017, 11:30 pm

Dear_one wrote:
Talking about your own discovery is not rude, and may be all they need.


Yeah, maybe this would be the best place to start. I want to get a little further along with therapy first, so at least I can say that I've made some progress.


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05 Feb 2017, 11:41 pm

The progress I've made in a decade, mostly with counselling, is just understanding what I'm coping with. Just recently, I learned that for NTs, Theory of Mind is automatic, while for me it has always been a conscious process, and my counsellor was amazed that we hadn't known that about each other.



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06 Feb 2017, 11:08 am

i've been finding that i not only recognize it in others, that makes me more sympathetic towards them as well.


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07 Feb 2017, 4:47 am

I always always end up finding the other autistic in the group and hanging out with him. And sure enough, usually he has a diagnosis. It's happened to me at least 3 times where the person was actually a diagnosed Aspie... once in elementary school, once in a mental hospital, and once in another online community. There were at least 2 other times where the person wasn't diagnosed (once in high school and once in another online community).



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07 Feb 2017, 8:33 am

I say trust your instincts, but be prepared for mixed reactions if you discuss autism openly. Maybe keep this following story in mind:

Many years ago I happened to be at a social event with someone who was obviously autistic and also an important cancer researcher. We were doing small talk and he was telling me about his research and asking me about mine. He asked me to my face if I thought he was autistic. I was in a position of telling him something I could tell he suspected but did not know or lying. I said something like that he did have some signs but who knows. Our lively discussion went suddenly cold and I spent the rest of the social event feeling awkward and wondering if I had done him harm. I knew after I'd said it that he had wanted me to say "no you're not autistic." I should have just evaded answering him, but I was on the spot and didn't see that option at the time. I never ran into him again. I don't know if that was accidental or if he made sure we didn't run into each other again, you know? It really made me feel bad. We weren't friends just happened to have a conversation so there was no way for me to reach out and see if he was okay.



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07 Feb 2017, 11:56 am

SocOfAutism wrote:
I say trust your instincts, but be prepared for mixed reactions if you discuss autism openly. Maybe keep this following story in mind:

Many years ago I happened to be at a social event with someone who was obviously autistic and also an important cancer researcher. We were doing small talk and he was telling me about his research and asking me about mine. He asked me to my face if I thought he was autistic. I was in a position of telling him something I could tell he suspected but did not know or lying. I said something like that he did have some signs but who knows. Our lively discussion went suddenly cold and I spent the rest of the social event feeling awkward and wondering if I had done him harm. I knew after I'd said it that he had wanted me to say "no you're not autistic." I should have just evaded answering him, but I was on the spot and didn't see that option at the time. I never ran into him again. I don't know if that was accidental or if he made sure we didn't run into each other again, you know? It really made me feel bad. We weren't friends just happened to have a conversation so there was no way for me to reach out and see if he was okay.


I believe in the philosophy that "the truth never yet hurt anyone." I'd say that answering his question honestly was the right way to go.


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07 Feb 2017, 12:14 pm

Surf Rider wrote:

I believe in the philosophy that "the truth never yet hurt anyone." I'd say that answering his question honestly was the right way to go.


I'd agree that truth is desirable, and does not hurt situations with no current errors, but almost everyone has to interface with others who believe in a different "truth." This can affect their opinions on any matter. There is also only a narrow channel for corrections most of the time. Presenting two awkward facts will just get both dismissed. Much of the art in human relations is helping people work together on the things they agree on while avoiding conflict on those they don't. Truth is often like sand in the machinery.



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08 Feb 2017, 10:04 am

Surf Rider wrote:
Now that I'm more familiar with the signs of HFA, all the lights are suddenly going on and I can think of several people I've known, and some I've been close to, who were probably HFA. It's all suddenly becoming clear now. I'm thinking of a couple people, including one ex-girlfriend, who are screamingly obviously autistic.

Is there any danger with this? Is it possible to project my own problems onto others, and to see HFA in someone else when it isn't there? What's the danger of misreading people, even if it's just in my own mind? What about conversations with these individuals about autism? Have you had any experience with this?

It is possible. Not all symptoms of autism only occur in autism. If they have a certian degree of symptoms then they could be autistic


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08 Feb 2017, 12:29 pm

I am seeing it everywhere too. Even in famous people. I had an Andy Warhol book out and I started thinking about the book for a minute. He sounds super autistic in it. So I googled if he was or not and there are theories that he was. It was neat to recognize this.

Now I see it in an acquaintance and I desperately want to ask. But it might be better just talking about my own dealings with it and see if he bites.

On the other hand, I suspect my mother is also Aspie but I know she hasn't a clue. Maybe I'll broach the topic one day.

The thing is, I would have been thrilled if someone told me years ago. But I had to figure it out for myself after 34 years. So, I think it should definitely be brought up in one way or another.