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TheWanderer24
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07 Mar 2017, 2:31 pm

I would like to see myself for what I really am. I don't want to figure out and analyse thoughts and beliefs. I want to see my true self. I would like to take a look at myself from the outer. I seek an objective perspective on the present. I don't know who I am - therefore awareness is something I crave in order to gain self acceptance. If I don't know my true self, how am I meant to accept myself? Would writing a timeline help? I would like to look inside my mind in order to see exactly how I've become the person I am today. In other words, up until this moment, how can I look at my experiences and pinpoint their mental equivalents that have shaped who I am RIGHT NOW? Only then can I gain an objective perspective of who I am.



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07 Mar 2017, 2:40 pm

You are...the Wanderer!

Listen to the Dion song sometime.

Seriously: I am a very different person at 56 as I was at 36. You're always changing.

I've never sought my "true self." Because it truly is what you are at any given moment in time.



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08 Mar 2017, 2:53 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
You are...the Wanderer!

Listen to the Dion song sometime.

Seriously: I am a very different person at 56 as I was at 36. You're always changing.

I've never sought my "true self." Because it truly is what you are at any given moment in time.


Here's the catch though: what if you truly don't know who you are at any given moment in time?



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08 Mar 2017, 3:13 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Seriously: I am a very different person at 56 as I was at 36. You're always changing.



That was one of the biggest problems I had , trying to compare myself to who I was when I was 16 ( the last time I felt fairly normal ). It took me ages to realise that it had no relevance to who I am today.


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08 Mar 2017, 3:15 pm

If you are aware of your surroundings, and can feel the ground when you walk, then I believe you have at least a passing acquaintanceship with yourself.

If you know your name, your birth date, and where you live, that's half the battle won already.

Look at yourself in the mirror every so often. Know yourself visually. It helps more than you think

Familiarize myself with your history. Ponder how you have reacted to situations in the past. That goes a long way, too.

Reality-test yourself if you become disoriented. Know your physical surroundings.



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08 Mar 2017, 3:47 pm

I know for myself, The person people see is not the person I am. I when I can live in my mind. I go a different world where it is so peaceful to me. There no people to talk to and bother me. I even have a cloud in my mind that I lay on at bed time and sleep. I am not a outgoing at all and prefer not to speak to anyone. But in public I know I must be polite and I work I must be professional. I think the timeline idea is a good idea. It might actully help. I think I might do it and then put it on ratio chart to see my personality changes.



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08 Mar 2017, 7:47 pm

You can never really have an objective perspective on yourself. In fact, there's no such thing as an objective perspective on yourself. There are two relevant classes of thoughts about you—your own thoughts and everyone else's thoughts—and both are subjective.



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09 Mar 2017, 4:00 pm

starkid wrote:
You can never really have an objective perspective on yourself. In fact, there's no such thing as an objective perspective on yourself. There are two relevant classes of thoughts about you—your own thoughts and everyone else's thoughts—and both are subjective.


I'll rephrase that. If I could take my mind and see exactly what is going on inside and how it's influenced me up to this moment, I can take stock and move forward in a position of strength.



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09 Mar 2017, 4:09 pm

starkid wrote:
You can never really have an objective perspective on yourself. In fact, there's no such thing as an objective perspective on yourself. There are two relevant classes of thoughts about you—your own thoughts and everyone else's thoughts—and both are subjective.


Also, looking at my myself factually if I were to hold the mind in my hand as if it were physical. Unfortunately this isn't the case so what then? :/



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09 Mar 2017, 4:23 pm

TheWanderer24 wrote:
I'll rephrase that. If I could take my mind and see exactly what is going on inside and how it's influenced me up to this moment, I can take stock and move forward in a position of strength.


I don't think that's possible. As a living creature, who you are is constantly in flux. Your thinking has changed over the course of your life, and thoughts that you no longer have have influenced who you are, but you can't easily examine those thought since you don't really think them anymore.

And who you are changes slightly from moment to moment as you react to the world around you (even reading this post).

It would also probably be difficult to differentiate between the parts of yourself that were influenced by your own thoughts and the part of you that was influenced by others.



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11 Mar 2017, 12:53 pm

starkid wrote:
TheWanderer24 wrote:
I'll rephrase that. If I could take my mind and see exactly what is going on inside and how it's influenced me up to this moment, I can take stock and move forward in a position of strength.


I don't think that's possible. As a living creature, who you are is constantly in flux. Your thinking has changed over the course of your life, and thoughts that you no longer have have influenced who you are, but you can't easily examine those thought since you don't really think them anymore.

And who you are changes slightly from moment to moment as you react to the world around you (even reading this post).

It would also probably be difficult to differentiate between the parts of yourself that were influenced by your own thoughts and the part of you that was influenced by others.


So is there any hope?



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11 Mar 2017, 12:55 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
You are...the Wanderer!

Listen to the Dion song sometime.

Seriously: I am a very different person at 56 as I was at 36. You're always changing.

I've never sought my "true self." Because it truly is what you are at any given moment in time.


I like that advice, and it goes with what my grandfather told me, that in life you will always be learning.



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11 Mar 2017, 1:02 pm

First evaluate what matters the most to you. Who you would like to become and why. What do you prize about yourself. You can be more than one thing at once. You can be an oxymoron, you can be complementary. I can't tell you where to go but I'll try to help you get there. You only question everything because you are painfully aware as opposed to clueless.


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11 Mar 2017, 1:34 pm

In questions such as "who am I", the answer often depends on the context and on the particular setting.

"Who am I" in this particular setting, in this particular context, in this particular field of life.

Also ask yourself why does knowing the answer to this question matter so much to you ???

The answer is usually relative, rather than absolute: "who am I" relative to other people around me.



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11 Mar 2017, 5:13 pm

I would agree with Xardas, while incorporating your own subjective experience.

There is ALWAYS hope even amid present futility. Something could happen even the very next second which could change your overall dynamic dramatically.



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11 Mar 2017, 5:39 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There is ALWAYS hope even amid present futility. Something could happen even the very next second which could change your overall dynamic dramatically.


Exactly, I agree.