my social difficulties seem different than many of yours

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ButchCoolidge
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03 May 2007, 11:08 am

I really don't have that much trouble figuring out people's intentions, reading between the lines, etc. I guess it's because of my intelligence, and the fact that my AS is probably mild. I actually feel the exact opposite most of the time. I can peg people within about 10 seconds of meeting them, and then I'm just plain bored. I do have things like eye contact issues and the tendency to monologue (again, mostly because the other people rarely have something interesting to say). But does anyone else actually feel, in a certain sense, socially "superior" to all of the NTs? And I don't mean that my social skills are actually superior, it's just that most NT's seem so vapid and simple (to me, most NT's seem soooo slooooowwwww.... in everything... walking, communication, comprehension, HUMOR, that's a big one, they just can't keep up).... that I end up just not talking to them. I could play their social games and chat about incredibly simple things at a snail's pace, but why?

Anyone else feel similar?



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03 May 2007, 11:11 am

Sever intuitive people are like this, I being one. Analytical reasoning through what others have done, experience and observation can over time connect what people are REALLY meaning. Its still a highly logical thing rather than a feeling preference and just somehow feeling that this is the right thing to do rather than applying what you should do through what you've learned.

I can't explain it properly but I know what you are talking about.


You sound like a strong INTJ.



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03 May 2007, 11:12 am

I just realized what I added did not clarify the situation at all, so I'm deleting it.

To the above, thanks for the input :) And yes I have always come out as INTJ on my personality tests, so this makes sense.



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03 May 2007, 11:17 am

I am said to be quite easy to talk to, and dont appear strange, but I feel absolutly bored by people, I just wanna get away from them, its like having to pay theater to talk with them and pretend I am interested in their talk, which I am absolutly not



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03 May 2007, 11:25 am

ButchCoolidge wrote:
I just realized what I added did not clarify the situation at all, so I'm deleting it.

To the above, thanks for the input :)



I too am obscenely egotistical and have a very very strong egocentric way of thinking. Even though I rarely have an active interest in social behavior, when I NEED to be it becomes obvious that its a problem and that it is not just me being an arrogance assface. I also have a keen eye for patterns, but when I react to subtle emotions its something I learned through logical application not something that is natural, you know this?

A good idea is to step back, clear your mind from any stereotypes you may have on yourself and analyze the situation from a completely detached perspective. I believe this will give you good results.

I also believe through further analysis your judgment will prove correct, whichever it may be.
It does seem like you have AS to me just by linking the things that you have said.

Work through it, pursue your diagnosis if you wish as I am sure you will.

Good luck.



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03 May 2007, 11:30 am

I have a tendency to think I have some sort intuition 'powers' but am in fact useless :D



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03 May 2007, 11:34 am

ButchCoolidge,

Actually, that ISN'T all that different! I refered to the appearance of arogance, etc... several times. My gullibility has given way to cynicism. If someone asks me to do something TOO simple, etc... I start to ask WHY! You aren't as different as you may think!

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03 May 2007, 11:50 am

I'm not diagnosed. The thing that has always made me doubtful of my AS is the fact that I am excellent at reading people. It is definitely a logical approach for me, too. I have a list of my own personal stereotypes that I apply to people and am able to get an extremely accurate idea of their personality within the first 30 seconds of meeting them. I attribute it to my keen sense of picking up patterns and my extraordinary memory.


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03 May 2007, 12:05 pm

jackhippy wrote:
I'm not diagnosed. The thing that has always made me doubtful of my AS is the fact that I am excellent at reading people. It is definitely a logical approach for me, too. I have a list of my own personal stereotypes that I apply to people and am able to get an extremely accurate idea of their personality within the first 30 seconds of meeting them. I attribute it to my keen sense of picking up patterns and my extraordinary memory.


Learning to speed read people is a logical application.
And comes in very handy.

AS isn't whether you know how to read people or not, its how you interact. (loose translation, I'm aware it is much more than this.)
Someone who's built a great system of interaction collating to key patterns in others can come off as if they have no problem at all. However, to take socializing to this level of intelligent observation, analysis and systematizing you can safely say, thats pretty AS.



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03 May 2007, 12:27 pm

I don't mind talking to anyone as long as they are interesting. I am an intp. I can strike up a conversation with total strangers on airplanes, waiting in a line. It doesn't bother me at all. I never had any problems getting a date when I was single.

Never had any problems getting along with men, but I put off certain types of women. I hate social occasions where men and women are divided and women are supposed to do something in the kitchen. :roll:


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03 May 2007, 2:17 pm

i start going ADD or something if people can't keep my attention whilst talking to me...

i've described elsewhere some movies that just start playin in my head when this happens lol


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03 May 2007, 2:55 pm

The problem it seems is that many of the criteria of AS are based on the experiences of clinical psychologists with children. They do not even begin to approach and appreciate the coping mechanisms that older AS individuals may have slowly cobbled together through experience.

You have to bear in mind the skew of the diagnostic (and much of the research material) to the experience of clinical psychologists with AS children, and remember that you will have created certain behaviours and actions which compensate, or feel to you as though they compensate, for what NT's do intuitively.



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03 May 2007, 5:05 pm

ButchCoolidge wrote:
I really don't have that much trouble figuring out people's intentions, reading between the lines, etc. I guess it's because of my intelligence, and the fact that my AS is probably mild. I actually feel the exact opposite most of the time. I can peg people within about 10 seconds of meeting them, and then I'm just plain bored. I do have things like eye contact issues and the tendency to monologue (again, mostly because the other people rarely have something interesting to say). But does anyone else actually feel, in a certain sense, socially "superior" to all of the NTs? And I don't mean that my social skills are actually superior, it's just that most NT's seem so vapid and simple (to me, most NT's seem soooo slooooowwwww.... in everything... walking, communication, comprehension, HUMOR, that's a big one, they just can't keep up).... that I end up just not talking to them. I could play their social games and chat about incredibly simple things at a snail's pace, but why?

Anyone else feel similar?


Lol, that's how I feel most days. I still talk to them though, to keep up appearances.



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03 May 2007, 5:07 pm

Ha, My social skills are a series of feints, bluffs, and deceptions to allow me to hang onto whats going on with interaction. If that makes sense.


I can't describe it, I can't find the words other than what I said above. I basically.. uh... "Wing it."


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03 May 2007, 5:10 pm

I think I learnt a lot. I say NTs don't know what their doing they just do. It’s automatic. I think if you learn something that gives you an added advantage. Like people who study body language.



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03 May 2007, 5:24 pm

agentcyclosarin wrote:
jackhippy wrote:
I'm not diagnosed. The thing that has always made me doubtful of my AS is the fact that I am excellent at reading people. It is definitely a logical approach for me, too. I have a list of my own personal stereotypes that I apply to people and am able to get an extremely accurate idea of their personality within the first 30 seconds of meeting them. I attribute it to my keen sense of picking up patterns and my extraordinary memory.


Learning to speed read people is a logical application.
And comes in very handy.

AS isn't whether you know how to read people or not, its how you interact. (loose translation, I'm aware it is much more than this.)
Someone who's built a great system of interaction collating to key patterns in others can come off as if they have no problem at all. However, to take socializing to this level of intelligent observation, analysis and systematizing you can safely say, thats pretty AS.


yea knowing and doing are totally different.... i can recognize when (social) requirements are necessary for other people (and i mean higher ones)... but when i try and impose what would satisfy ME and my demands in that situation... i've always found it's just never the same as what THEY want.

but i've learned how to jostle interactions (primarily in a teaching environment) to extract as much info out before i decide a course of action... how to respond.

it's still working blindly... but at least i got my walking stick poking out and about in front of me.


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