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Is Everyone On The Spectrum
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Both 9%  9%  [ 3 ]
Don't Know 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
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24 Aug 2017, 6:52 pm

Do you think everyone is on the autistic spectrum or is there an undefined cut off point. I've read a few articles saying that everyone is on the spectrum and am undecided.


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24 Aug 2017, 7:12 pm

I selected ferret :lol: !

No, I don't think everyone is on the spectrum. I think there are quite a few undiagnosed people out there, but there is a clear cut off point. When the traits become magnified to an unreasonable extreme and the person has a hard time because of these traits, that's when I would consider it autism. Otherwise, it is just traits.


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24 Aug 2017, 7:17 pm

Can I say both? Everyone is on the spectrum and there is a cut-off point?

It's say it's a spectrum, and everyone has it to a certain degree, but most people it's a small enough degree that they wouldn't be considered to have ASD/Asperger's.

Also, can you enable revoting so I can change my two votes to both yes and no?


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24 Aug 2017, 7:19 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
Do you think everyone is on the autistic spectrum or is there an undefined cut off point. I've read a few articles saying that everyone is on the spectrum and am undecided.


If EVERYONE were on the spectrum, there would BE NO SPECTRUM, because autistic people would be exactly like the rest of the population and it wouldn't be a disorder.

If only 1 in 100, or 1 in 68, or whatever the currently accepted ratio is, have a particular disorder, then clearly EVERYBODY cannot fit into that tiny minority group. Why bother too even differentiate and classify symptoms if EVERYBODY'S got 'em? They're no longer symptoms of a disorder, they're just normal human behaviors.


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24 Aug 2017, 7:37 pm

I'd say there are many who can relate to autism because they have social anxiety or ocd or whatever. But I think the 1 in 68 (or whatever the official tally is) should be the bare minimum of what qualifies.



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24 Aug 2017, 7:57 pm

My last psychologist said that. Which just meant he didn't think it was important and I didn't get to bring it up. I now believe it is just an excuse for people who should be knowledgeable about ASD, but aren't.



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24 Aug 2017, 7:59 pm

I believe there is an autism spectrum which encompasses people with very similar and very specific symptoms of varying severity.

I also believe there is a "broad autism phenotype" which accounts for most of the people on the "borderline."

There is even a broader group of people who can be said to identify with autism, and who can share common cause because of discrimination on the part of people who are "non-disabled."



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24 Aug 2017, 8:06 pm

In my opinion, what determines autistics from allistics that could relate to autistics is something... Very fundamental. That something is likely not rooted by circumstances and happenings.


When I had anxiety, I surely could relate to several aspies here.
When I conquered it -- in long terms, I no longer did much. I didn't gained the knowledge of counselling aspies. Maybe I lost it along with that constant feeling and need for it.
All I gained is the knowledge of conquering, and I don't know how to share it when I want to.

Yet I'm still autistic instead of allistic with autistic traits and inclination or misdiagnosed and/or maladaptive bouncing back into the social realm and chaotic environment.
Something else, something deeper, that never changed. :| I have yet to name and describe what it is, but it's definitely something what truly made me autistic instead of allistic. And finding that something made me realized that I could've been closer to autistics in general than aspies.

Too bad. :lol: My 'feelings' does not count as evidence.


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24 Aug 2017, 8:08 pm

"Feelings" might not count as "scientific" evidence.

But I find that they do "count" when it comes to many things.



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24 Aug 2017, 8:09 pm

SplendidSnail wrote:
Can I say both? Everyone is on the spectrum and there is a cut-off point?

It's say it's a spectrum, and everyone has it to a certain degree, but most people it's a small enough degree that they wouldn't be considered to have ASD/Asperger's.

Also, can you enable revoting so I can change my two votes to both yes and no?


Bugger! I change the options and it reset the voting :cry:


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24 Aug 2017, 8:10 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
SplendidSnail wrote:
Can I say both? Everyone is on the spectrum and there is a cut-off point?

It's say it's a spectrum, and everyone has it to a certain degree, but most people it's a small enough degree that they wouldn't be considered to have ASD/Asperger's.

Also, can you enable revoting so I can change my two votes to both yes and no?


Bugger! I change the options and it reset the voting :cry:


Don't worry about it! My vote is cast :lol: .


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24 Aug 2017, 8:18 pm

StampySquiddyFan wrote:
I selected ferret :lol: !

No, I don't think everyone is on the spectrum. I think there are quite a few undiagnosed people out there, but there is a clear cut off point. When the traits become magnified to an unreasonable extreme and the person has a hard time because of these traits, that's when I would consider it autism. Otherwise, it is just traits.


So do you think the articles mean that everyone has at least 1 autistic trait but that does not put them on the spectrum?


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24 Aug 2017, 8:24 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
I selected ferret :lol: !

No, I don't think everyone is on the spectrum. I think there are quite a few undiagnosed people out there, but there is a clear cut off point. When the traits become magnified to an unreasonable extreme and the person has a hard time because of these traits, that's when I would consider it autism. Otherwise, it is just traits.


So do you think the articles mean that everyone has at least 1 autistic trait but that does not put them on the spectrum?


I think the articles mean that we are all on the spectrum, but only those who have more traits get diagnosed. I don't care for that view, though. I like things to be more black and white than that :D . I think there are autistics and neurotypicals. The in between stuff is subjective.


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24 Aug 2017, 8:27 pm

StampySquiddyFan wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
I selected ferret :lol: !

No, I don't think everyone is on the spectrum. I think there are quite a few undiagnosed people out there, but there is a clear cut off point. When the traits become magnified to an unreasonable extreme and the person has a hard time because of these traits, that's when I would consider it autism. Otherwise, it is just traits.


So do you think the articles mean that everyone has at least 1 autistic trait but that does not put them on the spectrum?


I think the articles mean that we are all on the spectrum, but only those who have more traits get diagnosed. I don't care for that view, though. I like things to be more black and white than that :D . I think there are autistics and neurotypicals. The in between stuff is subjective.


I only posted this as someone I was speaking to said they were on the spectrum ( not Dx but just believed everyone is ) and it got me thinking.


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24 Aug 2017, 8:28 pm

I believe there is a definite "syndrome" known as "autism." I believe there is a possibility that there are "autisms," caused by different things.

I believe there are neurotypicals who might evince symptoms similar to autism---but they do not have the specific condition known as "autism," nor any "autism."

One has to have been autistic since at least toddlerhood. If a person develops "autistic" symptoms later in life, the person is not "autistic."

It doesn't mean autistic people have to separate themselves from non-autistic people because they have autism.



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24 Aug 2017, 8:31 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
I selected ferret :lol: !

No, I don't think everyone is on the spectrum. I think there are quite a few undiagnosed people out there, but there is a clear cut off point. When the traits become magnified to an unreasonable extreme and the person has a hard time because of these traits, that's when I would consider it autism. Otherwise, it is just traits.


So do you think the articles mean that everyone has at least 1 autistic trait but that does not put them on the spectrum?


I think the articles mean that we are all on the spectrum, but only those who have more traits get diagnosed. I don't care for that view, though. I like things to be more black and white than that :D . I think there are autistics and neurotypicals. The in between stuff is subjective.


I only posted this as someone I was speaking to said they were on the spectrum ( not Dx but just believed everyone is ) and it got me thinking.


Yeah of course :D ! I disagree with them, not you LOL!

It is an interesting topic, as there are people with traits but no diagnosis out there. :D


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