Interesting info about birth asphyxia and autism

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http://www.cordclamp.com/Autismxx.htm

My parents told me many years after my birth that I had experienced birth asphyxia; this could very well explain what happened to me. Has anyone else had birth asphyxia and are autistic? If so, read this. It's kinda long but worth your while.

well i was in fetal distress for ten minutes, and they had to do an emergency c-section. the umbilical cord was wrapped around my neck for some reason. obviously i didnt want to be born

I didn't, and my son didn't, but that is pretty interesting. I've also read something about babies that are breech. I don't know if I was, but both of my children were. One is a bit young to tell anything still, but my son definitely has some things going on.

Me, my son, and my daughter were all born 2-3 months premature as well.

Last edited by nobodyzdream on 20 May 2007, 9:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.

My brother had birth asphyxia and they always blamed his autism on that. Then I was born and I was autistic too, with no birth asphyxia.

interesting replies...
fetal distress would probably result birth asphyxia
genetics has been a proven link to autism
not sure about breech delivery although that too could result as birth asphyxia

should have made this a poll; would have been very interesting

My son got "stuck" for a few moments, but his Apgar scores were fine. I have a cousin who had a blockage in her umbilical chord and she was born as if premature, but no cognitive delay, just physical development delay.

Well, the cord was wrapped around my neck, but no asphyxia. I didn't cry though.

From what I have heard, the motor neurons are the first to go, and it causes CEREBRAL PALSY! If you don't have such motor problems, it probably didn't hurt you. BESIDES, it is unlikely that will cause HFA autism.

Steve

Of my twins (Caesarean due to cord entanglement) he (larger but sluggish compared to her in utero) has had chronic problems; now at 18, ADD and Borderline Personality Disorder. I think he was born second, and more entangled. She presents as more "normal" although they've always taken turns being handfuls. Oh, and she flapped! I didn't associate that with Autism, and tell her til this month.

I don't want to prevent anyone from being reassured, but...
My ER nurse friend tells me that most human physiological mechanisms defer to the brain getting enough oxygen and nutrients; that's the last system to shut down, in extremis. I'd think that anything blocking that at such a crucial time as birth, would have to have some effect, though our ability to sort out subtle causes and effects is still crude.

I don't mean to be rude, but "if it didn't cripple you, it probably didn't hurt you" doesn't hold up for me. There've been too many mistakes, from Roman lead drinking water pipes, medieval bleeding treatments, diethylstilbesterol, DDT, chemotherapy, Genetically Modified and overprocessed foods; a long, sad list. We'll know someday what causes the brain's 'invisible' malfunctions; this definitely merits more research.

Last edited by tomart on 20 May 2007, 8:14 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Wow.
The cord (navelstreng in Dutch) was entangled around my neck which put me without oxygen for a small time.

I didn't have any such problems. Apparently, my birth was fine. My mom did have a long labor and a rapid delivery with me.

I thought birth asphyxia caused Cerebral Palsy?

Tomart,

FIRST, MOST nurses know VERY little, EVEN ER nurses! So what she said should DEFINITELY be taken with a grain of salt. Sorry, but that is TRUE! In the US there are like 4 levels of nurses, and it seems like only the last ones that are RNs(As I recall that is it) really know anything, and even THEIR knowledge is spotty. ALSO, they can specialize, and the specializations are FAR NARROWER than doctors!

And don't get me started on doctors! THEY are SUPPOSED to have LOTS of training, but most are IDIOTS! Their exploits are LEGEND! They are actually writing on body parts to TRY to prevent mistakes! It is in the news all the time. Mal Practice is SKY HIGH, and some doctors are LEAVING because they don't want to deal with the paperwork and premiums.

SECOND, you can have Cerebral palsy and have it barely noticable! It varies from localized weakness, to practically immobile. Sometimes you might have to watch them for a while, or hear them talk to figure it out.

From a list I found:

As for the poisons you list, I NEVER said they were harmless. FAR FROM IT!

BTW there should be *****FEWER***** cord entanglements now, and for the past few decades! They have cesarean, and most are NOT due to cord entanglements. So WHY has autism gone up? And such problems are NOT inheritable, so why does autism seem to be?

Go ahead, LISTEN to your friend. I just hope she doesn't someday get you killed or WORSE!

Steve

Tomart,

FIRST, MOST nurses know VERY little, EVEN ER nurses! So what she said should DEFINITELY be taken with a grain of salt. Sorry, but that is TRUE! In the US there are like 4 levels of nurses, and it seems like only the last ones that are RNs(As I recall that is it) really know anything, and even THEIR knowledge is spotty. ALSO, they can specialize, and the specializations are FAR NARROWER than doctors!

And don't get me started on doctors! THEY are SUPPOSED to have LOTS of training, but most are IDIOTS! Their exploits are LEGEND! They are actually writing on body parts to TRY to prevent mistakes! It is in the news all the time. Mal Practice is SKY HIGH, and some doctors are LEAVING because they don't want to deal with the paperwork and premiums.

SECOND, you can have Cerebral palsy and have it barely noticable! It varies from localized weakness, to practically immobile. Sometimes you might have to watch them for a while, or hear them talk to figure it out.

From a list I found:

As for the poisons you list, I NEVER said they were harmless. FAR FROM IT!

BTW there should be *****FEWER***** cord entanglements now, and for the past few decades! They have cesarean, and most are NOT due to cord entanglements. So WHY has autism gone up? And such problems are NOT inheritable, so why does autism seem to be?

Go ahead, LISTEN to your friend. I just hope she doesn't someday get you killed or WORSE!

BTW My birth was NORMAL, and apparently WITHOUT incident! I DO think I seem autistic. And I definitely fit the aspie profile. As far as my motor skills? The catching and synchronization problems I have, that are COMMON with ASpies, are NOT the weakness/control problems found in CP.

Steve

cerebral palsy is definitely caused from birth asphyxia but that is the most extreme result.
this documentation is aimed at cord clamping which according to the article started in the 50's (I was born in 1952). the birthing was ok but unfortunately the delivery doctor was not present and gave instructions to the attending staff what to do. he messed up and i was deprived of oxygen long enough to turn blue AND long enough to do the damage. just because i don't have motor problems doesn't mean it didn't hurt me...my god you don't know how i have suffered. did you read the entire article?

(this is from entry 10)
10 – Protective mechanisms and spectrum of handicaps

a) Protective mechanisms are responsible for the wide variability of brain structures damaged by factors that disrupt aerobic metabolism.

b) Prolonged hypoxia such as that caused by hypovolemia, infant anemia, or respiratory distress syndrome (RDS) leads to damage of the cerebral cortex as shown by Myers [31].

c) In both adult and fetal monkeys damage of the cerebral cortex was produced by prolonged partial anoxia (or hypoxia).

d) A spectrum of disorders therefore results in circumstances of impaired aerobic metabolism, from auditory system damage caused by a brief period of total asphyxia to widespread involvement of the cerebral cortex under conditions of prolonged hypoxia and hypo-perfusion.

e) Cerebral palsy and severe autism are immediately apparent. Asperger syndrome, attention deficit disorder, and learning disabilities often go unnoticed until the child is evaluated in grade school.

(from entry 15)
15 – Increased incidence of autism and related disorders

a) The increase in incidence of autism has occurred during the period since adoption of immediate cord clamping as a standard procedure.

b) The increase in autism that has occurred over the past 10 to 20 years has also been paralleled by increases in attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADD or ADHD), learning disabilities and under-achievement. All coincide with increased use of immediate cord clamping.

c) From primate studies, it is clear a brief period of asphyxia at birth is extremely pathogenic for the brainstem nuclei. Thus lack of placental transfusion and placental oxygenation from immediate cord clamping becomes a crucial risk factor in auditory pathway damage.

d) While the time of cord clamping is seldom recorded, a history of birth difficulty that would give rise to immediate clamping is not uncommon in autistic children [75-84].

e) Impairment of brain function by immediate cord clamping at birth deserves investigation as an etiological predisposition for autism that is just as important as research on genetics and/or exposure to toxic substances.

My " ret*d and autistic " younger brother had getting caught in my mother's cord given as the official reason for his state...