ODD?

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So i have ASD, but about 2 years ago i was diagnosed with ODD has only else been diagnised incirrectly with this disorder i guess its becuase its an impulse disorder and is associate with anger and argumentative sometimes conceided behaviour that is considered to be out of place of social norms and isn't socially apporapriate.

Oppositional defiant disorder is the official DSM 5 diagnosis of what the rest of us call 'adolescence'.

Apparently you dont grow out of it it can lead to antisocial personality disorder in some cases but yeah perhaps it is just adolescents alot of the time but it goes far deeper than that, ironic i was never defiant i was angry, argumentative, irresponsible and had less of a understanding of social norms. In my experince kids with odd like to taunt,upset and fustrate others as sort of a defense mechanism and also because its fun. None of these kids seem to care about anything but getting their own way even if it worked against them or its counter effective for them in the bigger picture of the long term. I don't think this disorder and other disorders that break or violate social norms are nessecerislly bad or harmful. They can be too productively and too good use!

ODD is a real thing. It's a behavior disorder that causes hostility towards authority and they often start fights and arguments and intentionally annoy others. This can lead to conduct disorder and they also shows signs of conduct and they can be diagnosed with ASPD as adults if they meet that criteria but they have to have signs of conduct by around age ten.

Some kids do grow out of it if treated. ODD is a common disorder in ADHD.

ODD used to be connected to autism but now I don't hear about it anymore probably because we know more about autism now and we realize now autistic children are not oppositional defiant. It can look like ODD and it can seem like an autistic child has a behavior disorder. I am not saying no autistic children can have ODD. It's just not linked anymore nor is it considered a component like it is for ADHD.

Yh it isnt on spectrum, i hate it when autism is associated with poor behaviour it just isnt correct. Autism and autistic peoples perception's, interests and everything is supposed to be understood and supported not to be cured or inherinetly be dissaproved by others.

It may just be that the authority is incorrect and the person knows it. You cant just assume a person in authority knows and understands everything just because they are in an authority position.

For exmaple my primary disability is an endless need to poo, like 20 plus times a day, yet all i get from psyche services (which i was referred to as gps cant fidn anything on the blood test) is blathering rubbish about self hatred.

What the f**k? I dont hate myself i just need to keep taking a s**t, but they insist that as the blood tests are normal and you can get this issue with mental illness that I am mentally ill. Then they assume what my symptoms are and diagnose me based on their assumptions instead of my real issues. 'then i have to spend endless time with people whom keep telling me about their self loathing then i think holy s**t id be better off dead than having to put up with this psychologically torturous s**t and well the rest is history although im still here.

Im also not expected to enjoy anything and to be scared of crap thats not scary just cause gps keep insisting my bowel issues are mental illness and that gets me down too.

I always love my hobbies (babies as i call them), i rarely, if ever, stop enjoying them.

Authority figures seem to be getting dumber and dumber...Someone needs to challenge them before they screw up society beyond repair as they are too incompetent to be responsible for anything, even wiping their own arse.

Question them and their stupidity and apparently you have ODD

Why the f**k is everyone assuming that authority is right just because its authority....

Will make a note to dig up information where authority figures were full of f*****g s**t.

I would investigate if PDA which is part of the autistic spectrum is a better fit for this side of your symptoms. Pda and odd are often confused but are in fact totally different. Look at the pda society for more information.

As Elsapelsa says, I've heard in the UK there is a proposed diagnosis of autism called "pathological demand avoidance".
Along with traits typical of other forms of autism, it has additional traits also found in ODD such as not complying to demands.
However, if I understand correctly, one big difference between PDA and ODD is that the issues caused by ODD are entirely behavioural rather than emotional - people with PDA tend to get anxious when given a demand by authority or when they feel they're not in control.

^^ Exactly. It is either diagnosed as ASD with demand avoidance or ASD-PDA. You can't have PDA without autism though, it is an autism spectrum disorder.

It is often confused diagnostically with ODD but ODD is a conduct disorder whereas PDA is an anxiety driven need to control ones environment which often involves procrastination, violence, aggression, threats, to avoid performing real or perceived demands. It is dynamic in the sense that if anxiety is low and stress is low, demand tolerance often goes up. So it is all about handling it correctly, for example through the individual finding the right coping strategies and the environment being altered as to reduce stress, demands and anxiety build up.

ODD on the other hand can be treated with intervention and be 'cured.'

I suggest exploring the PDA Society UK as their website has lots of information and case studies in case this feels relevant.

As far as I know, I haven’t been diagnosed with ODD, probably because I got my ASD (actually PDD NOS at the moment) diagnosis when I was still in preschool, and my therapists found no advantage in giving me a second label. However, I did have many symptoms that would be consistent with ODD: I was always arguing with my parents, disobeying my teachers and basically thinking that any demands placed on me were an abuse of power by the adults in my life. I used to think everyone hated me. Also, during my last 2 years of elementary school, I started having dangerous aggressive behaviors, which led my mother, who has always been against the use of psychiatric drugs, to finally take me to a psychiatrist and ask for meds.
I think the main problem for me was low self-esteem and feeling unloved and misanderstood. Anyway, all my ODD behaviors disappeared when I was 12 and sent to a new school for middle and high school. My mother told me I had to behave properly there because I was too old to be hitting my classmates and escaping from the classroom, and she threatened to send me to a special school. The idea made me want to gag, so I did everything I could to control myself, and soon replaced my aggressive fits with crying meltdowns and started obeying my teachers. I did not develop ASPD.

Pardon my ignorance but what does yh stand for?

Children with PDA have problems with demands and it's not that they don't want to do it, they get anxiety when they have to do something.

Children with ODD have problems with authority and don't want to do it so they get mad if you tell them to do something. I read you have to make them feel like they are in control to get them to do things or tell them to do the opposite to get them to do it.

ODD and PDA look very much alike it wouldn't surprise me if PDA gets diagnosed as ODD in other countries because PDA is not recognized. It would be interesting to see what would happen if they treated anxiety in PDA, would kids with it do better with demands when you take care of the anxiety with it?

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ODD and PDA look very much alike it wouldn't surprise me if PDA gets diagnosed as ODD in other countries because PDA is not recognized. It would be interesting to see what would happen if they treated anxiety in PDA, would kids with it do better with demands when you take care of the anxiety with it?[/quote]

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Good question. Yes, in my experience reducing anxiety makes a huge difference. You literally end up with a different person. During the worst patch of our "demand avoidance" I didn't even wake my daughter up - I bought her an alarm clock and just let her get on with it without uttering a single reminder. It is tricky though as the demands are still there even if you don't verbalise them as they are just part of the normal routine of the day, if you see what I mean. But not having someone reminding you about them or harassing you makes a huge difference. Also, generally lowering anxiety - by finding time for lots of calming activities throughout the day - kinetic sand, water play, music etc. I find we can lower the overall anxiety which makes tolerance of demands higher. Also, having lots of days where there is nothing expected from her and she can literally stay in her pjs and not feel rushed or time constraints helps enormously. Finally, she herself engages in tons of self- soothing games which help her get through difficult patches. It has taken her a while to formulate them but now she has a bunch of different coping strategies she can utilise to get through the tricky patches - such as getting dressed which has always been one of our hardest ones.

I think it is tricky though because having AS and being in an environment geared towards neurotypical brains increases anxiety and then that anxiety feeds demand avoidance so the avoidance goes up and that makes it harder to re- enter the world which is fuelling your anxiety. So you are constantly fighting a loosing battle against lowering overall anxiety.