Do you think that you have an unconscious?

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29 Sep 2017, 12:56 am

For those of you who think the unconcious is a real part of human psychology, do you think neurodiverse people have a different sort of unconscious? Or have one at all?



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29 Sep 2017, 1:23 am

Yes and yes to the first two questions, and no to the third. One possible difference relates to memory capacity in ASD populations, which may function differently and have greater capacity.



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29 Sep 2017, 9:38 am

The whole theory that there is such a thing as an "unconscious" was invented to explain NT behavior. So if it exists it must exist in NTs. And if that is the case, that it exists in NTs, I see no reason why it would not also exist in ASD folks.



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29 Sep 2017, 9:43 am

Because of the fact that I dream, I KNOW that I have an "unconscious.'

Dreams are fascinating. They can, easily, break many laws of physics.



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29 Sep 2017, 9:44 am

starkid wrote:
For those of you who think the unconcious is a real part of human psychology, do you think neurodiverse people have a different sort of unconscious? Or have one at all?

In some sense



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29 Sep 2017, 9:58 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Because of the fact that I dream, I KNOW that I have an "unconscious.'


No no. First you "know" memories of your dreams not dreams by themselves. There is probobility that they were quite different than your memory of them.
Secondly if you are conscious of unconscious phenomenons they can not be unconscious.



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29 Sep 2017, 11:23 am

You're not conscious of your dreams while you're awake.

I find dreams to be a symbolic representation of the Unconscious seeping into your consciousness through dreams.

Dreams are your hopes and fears put into symbolic and (sometimes) narrative form.



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29 Sep 2017, 11:39 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I find dreams to be a symbolic representation of the Unconscious seeping into your consciousness...

Dreams are your hopes and dreams put into symbolic and (sometimes) narrative form.

I would say maybe something more like dreams can occasionally display evidence of "the Unconscious" at work behind the curtain while nevertheless amidst our various memories, emotions and such of which we are otherwise consciously aware. But now setting the matter of dreams aside...

One of the ways I get answers and solve problems is by dismissing them from conscious memory altogether and then waiting for "the Unconscious" (or whatever that might be) to send something into conscious thought.


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29 Sep 2017, 11:47 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
You're not conscious of your dreams while you're awake.

Im not conscious of any other events of my past most of the time.
kraftiekortie wrote:

I find dreams to be a symbolic representation of the Unconscious seeping into your consciousness through dreams.

Dreams are your hopes and dreams put into symbolic and (sometimes) narrative form.

Agree.



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29 Sep 2017, 11:48 am

leejosepho wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:

One of the ways I get answers and solve problems is by dismissing them from conscious memory altogether and then waiting for "the Unconscious" (or whatever that might be) to send something into conscious thought.

Brilliant idea



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29 Sep 2017, 11:52 am

What if someone's unconsciousness affected yours



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29 Sep 2017, 11:56 am

According to Carl Jung, there is something called the "Collective Unconscious."

You could be affected by someone else putting input into that "Collective Unconscious."



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29 Sep 2017, 2:45 pm

HughDYork wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
One of the ways I get answers and solve problems is by dismissing them from conscious memory altogether and then waiting for "the Unconscious" (or whatever that might be) to send something into conscious thought.

Brilliant idea

During my working years I built various custom devices and machinery in an industrial setting, and I often did my design work with my eyes closed and while "thinking in pictures" to make things work -- try explaining that to the boss -- before ever making an actual sketch and beginning the fabrication. It was during those days that I discovered my mind could occasionally come up with some things as long as I did not attempt to participate! ;)


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29 Sep 2017, 8:56 pm

HughDYork wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Because of the fact that I dream, I KNOW that I have an "unconscious.'


No no. First you "know" memories of your dreams not dreams by themselves. There is probobility that they were quite different than your memory of them.
Secondly if you are conscious of unconscious phenomenons they can not be unconscious.


So, what would you consider someone's conscious state to be while they were lucid dreaming and participating in the process? If you are in rem sleep while dreaming, you are certainly not awake, yet you need to be conscious or aware at some level to participate in the process and manipulate events.



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29 Sep 2017, 9:32 pm

i believe that the 10% of our brains that we currently use is our conscious mind that we can manipulate (to an extent at least) and that the sub-conscious is the remaining 90% that can't normally be accessed but if we could access might open up many possibilities like super powers (bit cliché but i believe to be theoretically possible) and the capacity to hold our existence (soul) in another dimension which sounds very science fiction but then again there are things we cannot see because our eyes rely on light and other things.



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29 Sep 2017, 9:41 pm

The 10% thing has no basis in science AFAIK - it's a myth possibly started by "positive thinking" spruikers.