Is it possible for an aspie to be a sociopath too?

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wanderlust77
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14 Oct 2017, 12:41 pm

I know somebody who is diagnosed, he is an aquintance but his behaviour is really odd. Not aspie odd, it's something else.
I went through articles like 30 red flags of a narcissist/psychopath and at least 20 of them is true for him too.



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14 Oct 2017, 1:00 pm

Yes, I believe it is.



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14 Oct 2017, 1:07 pm

My instinct is that it is not possible. And yet I have encountered people who seem clearly to be sociopaths, and they also claim to be aspies. I still don't understand how the two can fit together.


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14 Oct 2017, 1:18 pm

Maybe he was misdiagnosed?



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14 Oct 2017, 1:54 pm

Why should the two be mutually exclusive?


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14 Oct 2017, 2:07 pm

Psychopaths and sociopaths lack affective empathy. This means that they cannot “feel” your pain. In contrast, people with Aspegerger’s syndrome lack cognitive empathy. This means that they have trouble to understand people’s intentions, but their emotional capacity to feel is intact.

The person in question would have to be high functioning, maybe so high functioning that it would look to the outside world like they don’t have asperger’s. They would have to have some form of high cognitive empathy which is not impossible, but its rare. They would have to be good with social skills or at least be good at faking. Some Asperger traits would be absent such as lack of social skills, affective empathy, social awkwardness, lack of theory of mind, guilt, remorse, and social anxiety. simply by necessity for sociopathy to be expressed, which isn’t impossible but rare. They would have to have the trauma that leads to sociopathy of course. They would also have to have the genes for Sociopathy.

This is why I think it's mutually exclusive or very rare.

If high functioning asperger’s is 2% of the population, and sociopathy is lets say 2% of the population, in order for it to be comorbid it would be about 0.04 percent likely. Not impossible but incredibly rare and improbable.



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14 Oct 2017, 2:17 pm

Frankie was a diagnosed aspie and he also had ODD and conduct disorder since he was violent and he was manipulative and used abuse for control.


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14 Oct 2017, 2:40 pm

wanderlust77 wrote:
Psychopaths and sociopaths lack affective empathy. This means that they cannot “feel” your pain. In contrast, people with Aspegerger’s syndrome lack cognitive empathy. This means that they have trouble to understand people’s intentions, but their emotional capacity to feel is intact.

The person in question would have to be high functioning, maybe so high functioning that it would look to the outside world like they don’t have asperger’s. They would have to have some form of high cognitive empathy which is not impossible, but its rare. They would have to be good with social skills or at least be good at faking. Some Asperger traits would be absent such as lack of social skills, affective empathy, social awkwardness, lack of theory of mind, guilt, remorse, and social anxiety. simply by necessity for sociopathy to be expressed, which isn’t impossible but rare. They would have to have the trauma that leads to sociopathy of course. They would also have to have the genes for Sociopathy.

This is why I think it's mutually exclusive or very rare.

If high functioning asperger’s is 2% of the population, and sociopathy is lets say 2% of the population, in order for it to be comorbid it would be about 0.04 percent likely. Not impossible but incredibly rare and improbable.


I just read that on a different website.

What a coincidence.


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14 Oct 2017, 3:24 pm

babybird wrote:
wanderlust77 wrote:
Psychopaths and sociopaths lack affective empathy. This means that they cannot “feel” your pain. In contrast, people with Aspegerger’s syndrome lack cognitive empathy. This means that they have trouble to understand people’s intentions, but their emotional capacity to feel is intact.

The person in question would have to be high functioning, maybe so high functioning that it would look to the outside world like they don’t have asperger’s. They would have to have some form of high cognitive empathy which is not impossible, but its rare. They would have to be good with social skills or at least be good at faking. Some Asperger traits would be absent such as lack of social skills, affective empathy, social awkwardness, lack of theory of mind, guilt, remorse, and social anxiety. simply by necessity for sociopathy to be expressed, which isn’t impossible but rare. They would have to have the trauma that leads to sociopathy of course. They would also have to have the genes for Sociopathy.

This is why I think it's mutually exclusive or very rare.

If high functioning asperger’s is 2% of the population, and sociopathy is lets say 2% of the population, in order for it to be comorbid it would be about 0.04 percent likely. Not impossible but incredibly rare and improbable.


I just read that on a different website.

What a coincidence.


Not really. I copy/pasted it.



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14 Oct 2017, 3:48 pm

Yes. Autistic traits sort, genetically, independently of empathetic traits, which is why the Baron-Cohen test battery examines them separately. It's entirely possible.


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14 Oct 2017, 4:03 pm

It's possible for any human to be a sociopath or psychopath. In fact, most of us are. We just ignore our natural urges to commit insidious acts of murder most of the time.



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14 Oct 2017, 4:56 pm

I think we're giving the socio/psychopaths too much publicity by being so fascinated with them.....



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14 Oct 2017, 6:46 pm

I don't see why it wouldn't be possible.



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14 Oct 2017, 7:06 pm

A sociopathic aspie would lack both affective and cognitive empathy. Would treat you like a piece of furniture to be exploited, but wouldn't know how to exploit you. So he would be a failed sociopath.



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14 Oct 2017, 7:17 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
A sociopathic aspie would lack both affective and cognitive empathy. Would treat you like a piece of furniture to be exploited, but wouldn't know how to exploit you. So he would be a failed sociopath.


I suppose it depends on how much they are on the spectrum for each.

'failed sociopath' sounds like such a funny thing to me.


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14 Oct 2017, 8:08 pm

wanderlust77 wrote:
babybird wrote:
wanderlust77 wrote:
Psychopaths and sociopaths lack affective empathy. This means that they cannot “feel” your pain. In contrast, people with Aspegerger’s syndrome lack cognitive empathy. This means that they have trouble to understand people’s intentions, but their emotional capacity to feel is intact.

The person in question would have to be high functioning, maybe so high functioning that it would look to the outside world like they don’t have asperger’s. They would have to have some form of high cognitive empathy which is not impossible, but its rare. They would have to be good with social skills or at least be good at faking. Some Asperger traits would be absent such as lack of social skills, affective empathy, social awkwardness, lack of theory of mind, guilt, remorse, and social anxiety. simply by necessity for sociopathy to be expressed, which isn’t impossible but rare. They would have to have the trauma that leads to sociopathy of course. They would also have to have the genes for Sociopathy.

This is why I think it's mutually exclusive or very rare.

If high functioning asperger’s is 2% of the population, and sociopathy is lets say 2% of the population, in order for it to be comorbid it would be about 0.04 percent likely. Not impossible but incredibly rare and improbable.


I just read that on a different website.

What a coincidence.


Not really. I copy/pasted it.



If you didn't write it, you should link to the source.


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