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01 Nov 2017, 6:29 am

It seems to me that all of us whether NT or not have personality traits. However how much of what might be undiagnosed ASD/NVLD is misattributed to personality traits that lead to a psychiatric diagnosis, and ignore the possibility of ASD/NVLD?

My difficulty with social relations, which is my most chronic and severe problem, is described as 'due to some personality traits ' . I have had these difficulties since childhood which rather precedes the time at which personality disorders are reckoned to develop.



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01 Nov 2017, 7:29 am

Quite a few views but no replies. A silly question? Probably :(



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01 Nov 2017, 8:19 am

firemonkey wrote:
Quite a few views but no replies. A silly question? Probably :(


Give it time Firemonkey - a lot of our overseas friends are probably still in bed.



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01 Nov 2017, 8:50 am

More than people realise.

I have met a man diagnosed with schizo affective disorder who in my opinion has an ASD. He cannot maintain friendships, has obsessive habits and struggles with communication.

He has been let down by the system IMO.

A support worker who helped me specialised in autism and he used to work teaching in prisons. He told me he was certain a lot of prison inmates are undiagnosed ASDs. That is worrying because a lot of them might be in there due to unawareness of why they cannot relate well to others: with no support they may have turnefd to criminality in desperation.



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01 Nov 2017, 8:58 am

Temeraire wrote:
firemonkey wrote:
Quite a few views but no replies. A silly question? Probably :(


Give it time Firemonkey - a lot of our overseas friends are probably still in bed.


I get insecure that I might be posting crap.



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01 Nov 2017, 9:00 am

fifasy wrote:
More than people realise.

I have met a man diagnosed with schizo affective disorder who in my opinion has an ASD. He cannot maintain friendships, has obsessive habits and struggles with communication.

He has been let down by the system IMO.

A support worker who helped me specialised in autism and he used to work teaching in prisons. He told me he was certain a lot of prison inmates are undiagnosed ASDs. That is worrying because a lot of them might be in there due to unawareness of why they cannot relate well to others: with no support they may have turnefd to criminality in desperation.



My dx is paranoid PD. I have had schizophrenia and schizoaffective diagnoses in the past.



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01 Nov 2017, 9:01 am

Of course that happens. In fact that was the norm for folks over a certain age like you and me.

Anyone with aspergers your age, or my age, would have been assumed to have had some kind of neurosis caused by bad parenting if they had been sent to a shrink. As far as I know I was never given any kind of diagnostic "label", but I was never diagnosed as HFA, or aspergers, of as ASD level 1, when growing up, despite going to shrinks forever.

That was for the simple reason that aspergers and HFA didn't exist as diagnosis until 1994. Even after that, in circa 2005, my family suggested that I might have aspergers to the shrink I had been going to she said that she had "never even heard of aspergers" until mom and sis suggested I had it. And she had to read up about Asperger right then and there over ten years after the diagnosis had been officially recognized. So even the mental health professional were WAY behind the curve even in the 21st Century.



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01 Nov 2017, 9:10 am

firemonkey wrote:
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More than people realise.

I have met a man diagnosed with schizo affective disorder who in my opinion has an ASD. He cannot maintain friendships, has obsessive habits and struggles with communication.

He has been let down by the system IMO.

A support worker who helped me specialised in autism and he used to work teaching in prisons. He told me he was certain a lot of prison inmates are undiagnosed ASDs. That is worrying because a lot of them might be in there due to unawareness of why they cannot relate well to others: with no support they may have turnefd to criminality in desperation.



My dx is paranoid PD. I have had schizophrenia and schizoaffective diagnoses in the past.


This probably happened for you because knowledge of ASDs wasn't widespread until the 2000s, even among medical professional. I doubt any of those diagnoses given to you are correct. I have sympathy for you because I can imagine there is stigma attached to those diagnoses.



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01 Nov 2017, 9:24 am

firemonkey wrote:
I have had these difficulties since childhood which rather precedes the time at which personality disorders are reckoned to develop.


I'm not sure it's fully known. I don't think you can receive a personality disorder Dx until you are a certain age but I don't see why you can't have it from birth or certain traits that just develop as you do. I'm fully expecting my ASD assessment to reveal that I have a PD and other things but not ASD.


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01 Nov 2017, 9:30 am

fifasy wrote:
firemonkey wrote:
fifasy wrote:
More than people realise.

I have met a man diagnosed with schizo affective disorder who in my opinion has an ASD. He cannot maintain friendships, has obsessive habits and struggles with communication.

He has been let down by the system IMO.

A support worker who helped me specialised in autism and he used to work teaching in prisons. He told me he was certain a lot of prison inmates are undiagnosed ASDs. That is worrying because a lot of them might be in there due to unawareness of why they cannot relate well to others: with no support they may have turnefd to criminality in desperation.





My dx is paranoid PD. I have had schizophrenia and schizoaffective diagnoses in the past.


This probably happened for you because knowledge of ASDs wasn't widespread until the 2000s, even among medical professional. I doubt any of those diagnoses given to you are correct. I have sympathy for you because I can imagine there is stigma attached to those diagnoses.




It is hard to tease out the social anxiety from the paranoia but both IMO stem from negative peer reactions especially as a teenager, but also as a child, to being physically and socially awkward.(? ASD/NLD)



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01 Nov 2017, 9:34 am

You might find this an interesting read http://www.gnc.gu.se/digitalAssets/1349 ... utism-.pdf


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01 Nov 2017, 9:47 am

Found this interesting . https://theneurotypical.com/schizophrenia-and-asd.html



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01 Nov 2017, 9:55 am

firemonkey wrote:
Found this interesting . https://theneurotypical.com/schizophrenia-and-asd.html


Ooh! Schizophrenia! I'm on it.


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01 Nov 2017, 10:04 am

SaveFerris wrote:
You might find this an interesting read http://www.gnc.gu.se/digitalAssets/1349 ... utism-.pdf


Thanks. Already had this. I definitely have what many pdocs would classify as 'schizotypal' symptoms .



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01 Nov 2017, 10:18 am

firemonkey wrote:
Found this interesting . https://theneurotypical.com/schizophrenia-and-asd.html


I have already read this as well but it was good reading it again , I'm still none the wiser :lol:


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02 Nov 2017, 7:07 am

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" Due to some of his personality traits he finds it hard to develop or sustain social relationships"


My main long term problem, re social interaction , difficulty grasping the 'rules' of social engagement/initiating conversations/making small talk .

The paranoia they have latched onto re 'personality traits' being a product of childhood/teenage bullying and peer rejection due to physical and social awkardness.