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18 Dec 2017, 11:58 am

I think NTs tend to go way overboard with putting their children in extra curricular activities. Do kids need to have constant activities after school? I don't think so. Kids need time to be kids and play with their friends and siblings. I know kids that didn't want to be in all the activities that their parents signed them up for. These kids usually just wanted unstructured playtime with their friends or they hated the activity that their parents made them do. Extra Curricular activities are nothing more than a way for parents to compete with each other through their kids. What do you guys think?



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18 Dec 2017, 12:16 pm

My brother definitely feels this way, with his 10-year-old son (who exhibits many autistic traits, but so far is managing well without a diagnosis). Where they live, it's normal for kids to have a full-time schedule of after-school programs, in order to be competitive for college admission, and he agrees it's too much.



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18 Dec 2017, 12:25 pm

I thought most kids participated in their extra curricular activities because they wanted to.

I tried a few by choice but they weren't for me, so I quit them. I wasn't pushed by my parents to start them or stay when I wanted to quit, and that's how I think extra curricular activities should be.
They must be the choice of the child. Pressing your kids into things rather than let them be kids is as wrong as NTs thinking it more important to try to normalize us rather than let us enjoy our childhood.

I spent my childhood reading, writing and playing the games I wanted in my spare time, all by choice. That's a big part of what made my childhood great.

I also think the "skolefritidsordning" (or fritidshjem as it was called in the 80's, we have here must be awful. It's for kids from 1st to 4th grade and they stay in school after school under supervision because their parents are at work. Apparently for kids with special needs it's up to 7th grade. Yet another reason why I'm so glad I wasn't diagnosed as a kid! I could never wait to get out of school after the end of the school day. I am still so very happy I didn't have to be in that program!
Some people have wanted to make it compulsory because it's such an "advantage" to be there and be together and social and all that crap. Barf. I do not envy the poor children who have my sentiments and are stuck with growing up today! So little freedom...


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18 Dec 2017, 12:28 pm

I think this can be particularly problematic for children on the autistic spectrum. Many of us put a lot of energy into "passing" so that we can get through the social aspects of the school day, which may also make us very anxious. this can leave us exhausted by the time school finishes. I always wanted to just collapse on my bed the moment I got home from school, and needed a break from other people so that I could recharge my batteries ready to do it all over again the following day.


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18 Dec 2017, 12:42 pm

Ashariel wrote:
My brother definitely feels this way, with his 10-year-old son (who exhibits many autistic traits, but so far is managing well without a diagnosis). Where they live, it's normal for kids to have a full-time schedule of after-school programs, in order to be competitive for college admission, and he agrees it's too much.


I wonder how these kids have any time to do their homework and study if they have all these activities all the time? Some kids barely pass their classes because they are in every sport their school offers.



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18 Dec 2017, 12:53 pm

Skilpadde wrote:
I thought most kids participated in their extra curricular activities because they wanted to.

I tried a few by choice but they weren't for me, so I quit them. I wasn't pushed by my parents to start them or stay when I wanted to quit, and that's how I think extra curricular activities should be.
They must be the choice of the child. Pressing your kids into things rather than let them be kids is as wrong as NTs thinking it more important to try to normalize us rather than let us enjoy our childhood.

I spent my childhood reading, writing and playing the games I wanted in my spare time, all by choice. That's a big part of what made my childhood great.

I also think the "skolefritidsordning" (or fritidshjem as it was called in the 80's, we have here must be awful. It's for kids from 1st to 4th grade and they stay in school after school under supervision because their parents are at work. Apparently for kids with special needs it's up to 7th grade. Yet another reason why I'm so glad I wasn't diagnosed as a kid! I could never wait to get out of school after the end of the school day. I am still so very happy I didn't have to be in that program!
Some people have wanted to make it compulsory because it's such an "advantage" to be there and be together and social and all that crap. Barf. I do not envy the poor children who have my sentiments and are stuck with growing up today! So little freedom...


I feel bad for the kids that have to be in after school care especially the ones that are there until closing. These kids are exhausted and want to go home after school. They want to be able to ride bikes with kids in their neighborhoods and not have adults breathing down their necks all the time. At private schools, kids are usually stuck with the same classmates every year and all day every day. Kids need space from each other to develop healthy relationships with each other. This is especially true for twins, triplets, and other multiples sibling sets. Some kids don't mind being in after school care if they have friends there they don't see much outside of school. Even still, these kids don't want to be there all day.



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18 Dec 2017, 12:57 pm

Trogluddite wrote:
I think this can be particularly problematic for children on the autistic spectrum. Many of us put a lot of energy into "passing" so that we can get through the social aspects of the school day, which may also make us very anxious. this can leave us exhausted by the time school finishes. I always wanted to just collapse on my bed the moment I got home from school, and needed a break from other people so that I could recharge my batteries ready to do it all over again the following day.


That's one of the reasons why I never really participated in extra curricular activities. I also didn't like any of the other people that were in the activities because they were the same crappy people I dealt with all day in school. Why would I want to subject myself to additional time with people that didn't like me?



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18 Dec 2017, 12:58 pm

ladyelaine wrote:
Ashariel wrote:
My brother definitely feels this way, with his 10-year-old son (who exhibits many autistic traits, but so far is managing well without a diagnosis). Where they live, it's normal for kids to have a full-time schedule of after-school programs, in order to be competitive for college admission, and he agrees it's too much.


I wonder how these kids have any time to do their homework and study if they have all these activities all the time? Some kids barely pass their classes because they are in every sport their school offers.


These programs are specifically for tutoring - not in the remedial sense, but for the purpose of pushing the kids above and beyond their peers, for college admission purposes. It's a lot of stress on the kids, and often they're pressured into pursuing high-income careers (law, medicine, etc.), and anything less than that is failure.



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18 Dec 2017, 1:05 pm

I am fortunate. The "after school" program I was in was a place which had ping pong and knock hockey.

For some kids, the present day extracurricular programs might be to their benefit. There are times when idleness begets boredom, which begets mischief. Then again, there are some kids who, definitely, would not benefit from them. I don't think I would have benefited, either, despite what I used to do when I was idle.

When I was 12, I was idle and bored, and I shoplifted.



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18 Dec 2017, 1:35 pm

Ashariel wrote:
for the purpose of pushing the kids above and beyond their peers, for college admission purposes. It's a lot of stress on the kids, and often they're pressured into pursuing high-income careers

This was certainly the case for me, leading to a breakdown and running away from home for a short while in my mid-teens. As soon as it was clear that I was good at exams in "technical" subjects, parents and teachers seemed to have the rest of my life already planned out for me, especially my father, who seemed to have a vicarious need for me to be the "first in the blood-line" to go to university. It did not work out well - the need to structure my own work, and my inability to cope with the social aspects of university life led to acute depression and alcohol abuse. In retrospect, a more practical, vocational way to continue my education would have served me much better, but was simply never considered by any of my "mentors".

@ladyelaine: If I'm meandering too far off-topic, please don't be afraid to say!


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18 Dec 2017, 1:37 pm

^^^^ What you said was totally to the point of the topic, in my opinion.



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18 Dec 2017, 4:04 pm

To be honest I don't even know how it feels like to have too many extra curricular activities as kid because I was a latchkey kid ever since I were 8. I stayed in the schools aftercare when I were 7 and as a young kid I was attending a preschool and nursery, where I waited for grandma end work at 4PM but I don't really remember it - except for the times I waited for grandma to get me out, watching all other kids leaving earlier than me. I was often the last kid inside and grandma would still not come for another half of hour.

When I were 8 I was given a choice to stay in the school aftercare or walk 5 mins by myself and wait at home alone. I choose home, because aftercare was boring.
It was also kinda depressing/boring/scary to stay home alone though, especially before my favorite cartoons time started (12AM-1PM school ends, 3:30PM - cartoons start, 4:30PM - grandma gets home) but I could deal with it by walking around the neighborhood and visiting neighbors (I befriended a 2 year old girl and her parents living upstairs so I haunted them daily, I am not sure if they liked it though). I met them when I happened to lose/forget house key(that was happening often) and I was forced to stay on the stairs with my heavy backpack till grandma got home. I saw them coming upstairs and followed them, like an abandoned kitten. :D

So I believe I would benefit from some extracurricular activities back then - assuming they weren't as boring as the schools aftercare, where kids were just doing their homework or playing board games(and I seriously don't remember having almost any homework to do as a kid, while other kids were complaining they have way too much homework and not enough time for playing - I was often bored as a child).



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18 Dec 2017, 5:51 pm

Now you know NT parents want to have something additional to brag about.



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18 Dec 2017, 6:01 pm

Trogluddite wrote:
Ashariel wrote:
for the purpose of pushing the kids above and beyond their peers, for college admission purposes. It's a lot of stress on the kids, and often they're pressured into pursuing high-income careers

This was certainly the case for me, leading to a breakdown and running away from home for a short while in my mid-teens. As soon as it was clear that I was good at exams in "technical" subjects, parents and teachers seemed to have the rest of my life already planned out for me, especially my father, who seemed to have a vicarious need for me to be the "first in the blood-line" to go to university. It did not work out well - the need to structure my own work, and my inability to cope with the social aspects of university life led to acute depression and alcohol abuse. In retrospect, a more practical, vocational way to continue my education would have served me much better, but was simply never considered by any of my "mentors".

@ladyelaine: If I'm meandering too far off-topic, please don't be afraid to say!


You're not too far off topic. My sister struggles with writing and math so the traditional college route doesn't work for her. She is working on getting certification in graphic design. She could get a two year degree in graphic design, but that requires a math class. She failed the college prep math class that she took this semester. The tutoring services at the college leave much to be desired.

Parents shouldn't pressure their kids so much about college degrees. Some kids would do better with vocational training and there is nothing wrong with that. People can still make good money doing that.



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18 Dec 2017, 6:51 pm

It is not an inherently NT thing because it did not exist to this insane degree until recent decades.

It hurts most kids no matter what neurology because it produces over reliant children who can not think for themselves.


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18 Dec 2017, 10:24 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
...it produces over reliant children who can not think for themselves.

Some (far more cynical people than me, of course :wink:) might say that there are elements in our society whom this would suit perfectly.


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