Page 1 of 1 [ 13 posts ] 

androidbeing
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 11 May 2005
Age: 175
Gender: Male
Posts: 155

21 Jun 2005, 6:42 am

If they were to come up with a genetic test for AS and you were previously diagnosed as having it by a psychologist but then found out via the genetic test that you didn't. How would this affect you?



Feste-Fenris
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Oct 2004
Gender: Male
Posts: 520

21 Jun 2005, 6:46 am

I think something like this will be possible in ten or twenty years...

Asperger's is caused by ten to twenty genes... the immune system and nervous system are both switched...

The difference is these genes are "online" and are interacting in a different way...



anbuend
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Jul 2004
Age: 44
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,039

21 Jun 2005, 9:39 am

I think if I did not test as autistic genetically, it would mean they had not found all the autism genes after all, since autism clearly runs in my family.


_________________
"In my world it's a place of patterns and feel. In my world it's a haven for what is real. It's my world, nobody can steal it, but people like me, we live in the shadows." -Donna Williams


ManureMental
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 7 May 2005
Gender: Male
Posts: 73
Location: UK

21 Jun 2005, 4:11 pm

Hmmm........interesting.
I think this will be possibly answered within the next 10 years, I dont think this will effect me to much then, the likely hood of it being different than todays DX is pretty slim, two Aspies in the same household both males, all females are NT's i rest my case it's definatly in my genes so to speak.


Aspies rock................



Glenn
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

User avatar

Joined: 31 Oct 2004
Gender: Female
Posts: 96
Location: I am here, but its not where I belong.

21 Jun 2005, 5:07 pm

I'd take it all with the proverbial pinch of salt. OK. there might be a gene (or combination of genes) that predisposes towards AS, but that does not mean that everyone with AS necessarily has those genes. AS isnt a simple medical condition or illness; it is a complex mix of mental, emotional and physical characteristics that possibly also needs some kind of environmental conditions to manifest itself fully..Just some people with the affected genes might not demonstrate Asperger's, so some people with all the characteristics of Aspergers might not have the affected genes. There might be different forms of the condition.
After all, it has been demonstrated that there is a gene which predisposes certain woman to have breast cancer. This can definitely run in families ...a woman with several relatives who have had the disease, who proves to have the gene, has a higher risk than usual of developing it - but it is not 100% certain . She might be a lucky exception. But another woman, without the gene and with no family history of the problem, might still develop breast cancer.
A genetic test for AS might be interesting, but I am not sure of its relevance. After all, what practical difference would there be between someone who has the gene and AS, and someone whose personality has all the signs and possible problems that go with AS but doesnt actually have the gene? Wouldnt they both need help?

Glenn[/i]


_________________
'All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night .... wake in the day to find that it was vanity:but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, to make it possible' (T.E.Lawrence)


Sarcastic_Name
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Mar 2005
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,593

21 Jun 2005, 8:11 pm

I agree with Glenn, genetics aren't the only way to get AS and your environment can effect who you are. I wasn't diagnosed and probably didn't have it to a certain degree until I fell into a major depression and my world collapsed in my early teens. My world's since been put back together, but I've difanitely changed (mentally). It's not obvious in other family members that might have it because they might of lived fairly steady lifes.

To answer the question, I wouldn't be suprised at all. I might have become AS through environmental causes, I was never as anti-social as I am now before my world collapsed (parents divorced, father married evil stepmother,etc.).


_________________
Hello.


androidbeing
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 11 May 2005
Age: 175
Gender: Male
Posts: 155

22 Jun 2005, 4:56 am

Doesn't the diagnositic critera require that you had problems as a child?



pizzaboss
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Aug 2004
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 799
Location: Oswego, NY

22 Jun 2005, 9:29 am

I would be surprised. I would also question the findings.



Minus
Tufted Titmouse
Tufted Titmouse

User avatar

Joined: 13 Sep 2004
Gender: Male
Posts: 48

22 Jun 2005, 4:22 pm

Edited



Last edited by Minus on 22 Oct 2005, 1:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Prometheus
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 May 2005
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,506
Location: Through the plexiglass

22 Jun 2005, 5:49 pm

Quote:
I agree with Glenn, genetics aren't the only way to get AS and your environment can effect who you are. I wasn't diagnosed and probably didn't have it to a certain degree until I fell into a major depression and my world collapsed in my early teens. My world's since been put back together, but I've difanitely changed (mentally). It's not obvious in other family members that might have it because they might of lived fairly steady lifes.


I'll second. There are no autustic people in my family and all the bipolars and anxiety people are on my mothers side.

I will admit there are some quite eccentric people on my father's side, but not really like a AS way.


_________________
All your bass are belong to us.


Sarcastic_Name
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Mar 2005
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,593

22 Jun 2005, 9:02 pm

androidbeing wrote:
Doesn't the diagnositic critera require that you had problems as a child?


I think you're refering to the delayed speech for HFA diagnosis.


_________________
Hello.


Sophist
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Age: 43
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,332
Location: Louisville, KY

23 Jun 2005, 1:03 am

I think androidbeing is referring to the point that Aspergers is supposed to be a Developmental Disorder in that the problems have been there since birth, in one form or another-- even though they may be better or worse at different times in the life span. Am I correct, androidbeing?

I mean, the very definition of a Developmental Disorder is that it is present throughout development.


[/pendantry] ;)


_________________
My Science blog, Science Over a Cuppa - http://insolemexumbra.wordpress.com/

My partner's autism science blog, Cortical Chauvinism - http://corticalchauvinism.wordpress.com/


androidbeing
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 11 May 2005
Age: 175
Gender: Male
Posts: 155

23 Jun 2005, 4:16 am

Yep, thats exactly what I meant