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29 Jul 2019, 7:27 pm

How do you know if you are having fun?

I spent a couple of days taking white water training. It was physically hard work and I always have a difficult time learning new techniques. But, even though I was exhausted (i.e., trembling hands) and with sore muscles, I felt good at the end of the day.

I was told, this is because "you were having fun."

It didn't feel like fun, but maybe it was. What does having fun feel like?


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29 Jul 2019, 7:31 pm

When you do something that gives you pleasure----either during the activity or afterwards----then you are "enjoying" yourself.

I feel like I enjoy myself "more," usually, if I don't expend too much physical effort-----though there are times when I feel "a sense of accomplishment," hence a good feeling, when I finally tackle a hard job or pick up a new skill that's hard to pick up.

I feel pleasure reading books and conversing with people on WP. I don't like doing things like housework, or doing errands. I do those things because I have to do them. Sometimes, I feel a "sense of accomplishment"--hence, pleasure, after I'm finished the errand or whatever.

I used to feel "pleasure," at times, when I was training for marathons (the "runner's high"); but there were times when running was sheer drudgery for me. I usually felt really good after I finished a hard run, though.



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29 Jul 2019, 7:32 pm

Is enjoying the same as having fun?


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29 Jul 2019, 7:33 pm

I would say they are almost synonymous.



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29 Jul 2019, 7:34 pm

How do you feel when you play your instrument and sing songs?

Aristotle wrote about a sort of "intellectual pleasure"----the pleasure of learning things, even while you're experiencing difficulty learning it.

Aristotle, in essence, believed that if something is "instructive," that it lends itself to feeling pleasure. It would be a broad stroke to call that "fun," though.



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29 Jul 2019, 7:42 pm

I always thought having fun was something others did which was enjoyable, but also effortless. "People" have fun at carnivals, parties, etc. Fun playing music when one is good at it. I guess games are supposed to be fun.

Most of the time, even things I enjoy are still difficult and take effort.


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29 Jul 2019, 7:44 pm

That's true, there is an "effortless" aspect to "fun." "Fun" is probably more "effortless" than a broadened enjoyment.

That makes sense.

You have fun just sitting around the campfire roasting marshmallows or something. You enjoy it, but you don't really have "fun," when you read the "Iliad."



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29 Jul 2019, 8:06 pm

Ok, Darmok. You are correct. I should be using that mycelial space shuttle in my back yard to join the fleet.

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29 Jul 2019, 11:23 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
How do you feel when you play your instrument and sing songs?

Aristotle wrote about a sort of "intellectual pleasure"----the pleasure of learning things, even while you're experiencing difficulty learning it.

Aristotle, in essence, believed that if something is "instructive," that it lends itself to feeling pleasure. It would be a broad stroke to call that "fun," though.

Depends how intellectually-oriented you are. For some of us, the most "fun" thing in the world is learning more about one's special interest.


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29 Jul 2019, 11:25 pm

blazingstar wrote:
Ok, Darmok. You are correct. I should be using that mycelial space shuttle in my back yard to join the fleet.

:D

Sounds like fun. 8)


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30 Jul 2019, 5:46 am

I agree, Mona. I was just giving a sort of “general assessment” of “fun” vis-a-vis “enjoyment.”



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30 Jul 2019, 8:13 am

When most people talk about fun, they're talking about a feeling. Inside they feel happy and motivated to continue what they're doing because it is so enjoyable. Fun feels like a positive feedback loop based on excitement and positive emotions.

Because it is feelings-based, it can be hard to pin down in concrete terms. Conceptually, I think fun implies a higher level of engagement than just enjoyment. I can enjoy relaxing somewhere comfortable, but that isn't necessarily 'fun'. Fun is usually (but not always) at least a little exciting.

I think a care free attitude is compatible with fun, but not a pre-requisite. Something really hard, but enjoyable and exciting can be a lot of fun. Something dangerous but exciting (such as white water rafting, or rock climbing) can be scary, difficult, but also fun.

I think the reason that fun and care free often go hand in hand, is because the lack of worries or anxiety can enhance enjoyment and more specifically, not detract from it. Having fun while you're care-free is like being better able to run after you take off a pair of shackles.

Fun usually implies enjoyment, plus either excitement or whim.



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30 Jul 2019, 8:59 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
How do you feel when you play your instrument and sing songs?

Aristotle wrote about a sort of "intellectual pleasure"----the pleasure of learning things, even while you're experiencing difficulty learning it.

Aristotle, in essence, believed that if something is "instructive," that it lends itself to feeling pleasure. It would be a broad stroke to call that "fun," though.

Depends how intellectually-oriented you are. For some of us, the most "fun" thing in the world is learning more about one's special interest.


I understand that focusing on one's special interest is compelling or even enjoyable. I have a difficult time seeing that as "fun." Not saying it couldn't be fun, just that I don't see it that way.


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30 Jul 2019, 9:04 am

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When most people talk about fun, they're talking about a feeling. Inside they feel happy and motivated to continue what they're doing because it is so enjoyable. Fun feels like a positive feedback loop based on excitement and positive emotions.

Because it is feelings-based, it can be hard to pin down in concrete terms. Conceptually, I think fun implies a higher level of engagement than just enjoyment. I can enjoy relaxing somewhere comfortable, but that isn't necessarily 'fun'. Fun is usually (but not always) at least a little exciting.

I think a care free attitude is compatible with fun, but not a pre-requisite. Something really hard, but enjoyable and exciting can be a lot of fun. Something dangerous but exciting (such as white water rafting, or rock climbing) can be scary, difficult, but also fun.

I think the reason that fun and care free often go hand in hand, is because the lack of worries or anxiety can enhance enjoyment and more specifically, not detract from it. Having fun while you're care-free is like being better able to run after you take off a pair of shackles.

Fun usually implies enjoyment, plus either excitement or whim.


Thank you for this explanation. I understand (I think, of course) pleasure and enjoyment and even happiness and have experienced those and can recognize them.

Now that I have been told I was having fun (improving my white water open canoe skills) I am trying to figure out what that meant. Because I was challenging myself, I found it difficult. It was scary, but not because I might drown or get stuck or tip over, but because I might make a mistake. So, in some sense, it was a stressful activity.

But after the day was over, I was really happy. Not tired. Enjoying the rest of the evening after.


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30 Jul 2019, 9:06 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
How do you feel when you play your instrument and sing songs?

Aristotle wrote about a sort of "intellectual pleasure"----the pleasure of learning things, even while you're experiencing difficulty learning it.

Aristotle, in essence, believed that if something is "instructive," that it lends itself to feeling pleasure. It would be a broad stroke to call that "fun," though.


I like the Aristotle points. Thank you.


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