A shameful 40 years considered (warning, ABA abuses)

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27 Apr 2018, 7:54 am

Torture does seem to be a more appropriate title, how is this still possible?



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27 Apr 2018, 8:17 am

A lot of things they do to autistics at this prison they have been ordered not to do to hardened terrorists. Speaks volumes.


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27 Apr 2018, 8:37 am

It's not even a prison. It's supposed to be a school for children. I have seen documentaries on this place. It is really scary how people can justify the evils that they do.

Wasn't it recently closed? I do not remember if they closed it or not.


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27 Apr 2018, 11:21 am

^ Its still open (https://www.disabilityscoop.com/2018/04 ... ces/24980/).

America doesn't have a good reputation when it comes to human rights or ratifying conventions, this aversion therapy is barbaric.
I don't know how anyone could work there or send their children to that place.



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27 Apr 2018, 11:30 am

You know what is even worse? ECT treatment. At least the types of shocks they do in this school simply scare children, whereas ECT causes irreversible brain damage.



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27 Apr 2018, 12:03 pm

skibum wrote:
It's not even a prison. It's supposed to be a school for children. I have seen documentaries on this place. It is really scary how people can justify the evils that they do.

Wasn't it recently closed? I do not remember if they closed it or not.

It is technically a school but for all intents and purposes it is a prison and that what I am going to call it.


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27 Apr 2018, 12:48 pm

It's the funny thing about western governments. They claim to have the best cultural and moral situation and democracy and all that, feel so superior to all other cultures and countries and try to intervene and fix them and yet fail miserably at the simplest things, which require just the least imaginable amount of empathy and common sense.
And the thing they say:"it has been proven by studies" oh yeah. stick that study up your p**sing a** and just turn on your mind.
Nazi doctors also prove many things in their studies, which are still being relevant in German psychology and psychiatry and I have experienced them first hand.
I just needed this to loose 100% faith in humanity. well done, hoomans.


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27 Apr 2018, 12:57 pm

omid wrote:
It's the funny thing about western governments. They claim to have the best cultural and moral situation and democracy and all that, feel so superior to all other cultures and countries and try to intervene and fix them and yet fail miserably at the simplest things, which require just the least imaginable amount of empathy and common sense.


Are you implying that in the third world they don't torture people in the hospitals?

Incidentally, you just reminded me of something. A year ago I was talking to someone who had missions to Africa, and she said how in Africa mentally ill are left without treatment, and I was telling her "well its better than the US version of it where they are treated against their will".

I am not sure what happens to those people in Africa who do make it to the hospital though. I mean the fact that a lot of them are lucky enough to avoid hospital doesn't necesserely mean that the ones that get hospitalized aren't being abused.

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Nazi doctors also prove many things in their studies, which are still being relevant in German psychology and psychiatry and I have experienced them first hand.


What exactly happened to you when you were experiencing it first hand?



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27 Apr 2018, 1:42 pm

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skibum wrote:
It's not even a prison. It's supposed to be a school for children. I have seen documentaries on this place. It is really scary how people can justify the evils that they do.

Wasn't it recently closed? I do not remember if they closed it or not.

It is technically a school but for all intents and purposes it is a prison and that what I am going to call it.

Copy that


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27 Apr 2018, 1:47 pm

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omid wrote:
It's the funny thing about western governments. They claim to have the best cultural and moral situation and democracy and all that, feel so superior to all other cultures and countries and try to intervene and fix them and yet fail miserably at the simplest things, which require just the least imaginable amount of empathy and common sense.


Are you implying that in the third world they don't torture people in the hospitals?

Incidentally, you just reminded me of something. A year ago I was talking to someone who had missions to Africa, and she said how in Africa mentally ill are left without treatment, and I was telling her "well its better than the US version of it where they are treated against their will".

I am not sure what happens to those people in Africa who do make it to the hospital though. I mean the fact that a lot of them are lucky enough to avoid hospital doesn't necesserely mean that the ones that get hospitalized aren't being abused.

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Nazi doctors also prove many things in their studies, which are still being relevant in German psychology and psychiatry and I have experienced them first hand.


What exactly happened to you when you were experiencing it first hand?
I was watching a documentary the other day. I forget which African country it was in. But as soon as a child is born, if it is disfigured or if a child turns out to be disabled, they return the child to the river. They have an actual ceremony and when you hear the bells ring, it means that the river has reclaimed the child. Also in Sweden, (I think, I am not sure) I have heard that they claim to have gotten rid of Down's Syndrome by basically aborting every child that tests positive for it in the womb. But in the US that is exactly what planned parenthood is all about. Western cultures can be just as barbaric and uncivilized as anyone else.


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27 Apr 2018, 4:26 pm

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I was watching a documentary the other day. I forget which African country it was in. But as soon as a child is born, if it is disfigured or if a child turns out to be disabled, they return the child to the river. They have an actual ceremony and when you hear the bells ring, it means that the river has reclaimed the child. Also in Sweden, (I think, I am not sure) I have heard that they claim to have gotten rid of Down's Syndrome by basically aborting every child that tests positive for it in the womb. But in the US that is exactly what planned parenthood is all about. Western cultures can be just as barbaric and uncivilized as anyone else.


I agree that humanity is just barbaric. But at least I want some clarity. I mean, if someone is a bad person, admits that, and acts accordingly and visibly in inhuman ways, at least you know what he's up to, and adjust yourself to that accordingly.
But when someone (like German docs) claims to be a better version of mother Theresa, and acts exactly like a Nazi, smiles at you and stabs you in the back while you are not looking, and the whole world also believes that person is literally as nice as Jesus, the situation is not so clear and that bothers me a lot.

I don't really care that the world is barbaric anymore. that's just fact, but at least they could just not play themselves up as being saints. And that's exactly what western governments / politicians / judges / doctors / teachers are doing. They just back up their mostly totally wrong and unjust ways with studies or paragraphs in old laws books and validate them, and make everyone including themselves think that they are doing the exact right thing, and their words are absolute truth. They have basically copied what the church was doing in the middle ages (forcing their subjective views on everyone), wrapped in glitter paper.

Basically I hate hypocrisy. even more so than barbaric behavior.
Basically if that director of the school in the video from the original subject of this thread would say: "I like to torture kids, because it's fun and it makes me giggle" I would be a bit less angry at the whole situation.

As of what German psychiatrists have done to me, I prefer not to talk about that.
but one thing they did was forcing me on up to 6 different psychiatric medication, and I spent years just watching the ceiling and drooling as a result. The reason was, most believe I'm a dangerous person and also maybe a pedophile. And I haven't done or said or even thought anything that would remotely suggest any of these.


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27 Apr 2018, 6:05 pm

skibum wrote:
What exactly happened to you when you were experiencing it first hand?I was watching a documentary the other day. I forget which African country it was in. But as soon as a child is born, if it is disfigured or if a child turns out to be disabled, they return the child to the river.


My mom has told me in her mothers time most births were done by midwives and they threw "deformed" babies out with the garbage.


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27 Apr 2018, 7:42 pm

That is horrifying.


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27 Apr 2018, 7:43 pm

The petition to have this prison closed on Change.org has about a quarter of a million signatures now. It's still open there if you wish to sign it.



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skibum wrote:
I was watching a documentary the other day. I forget which African country it was in. But as soon as a child is born, if it is disfigured or if a child turns out to be disabled, they return the child to the river. They have an actual ceremony and when you hear the bells ring, it means that the river has reclaimed the child. Also in Sweden, (I think, I am not sure) I have heard that they claim to have gotten rid of Down's Syndrome by basically aborting every child that tests positive for it in the womb. But in the US that is exactly what planned parenthood is all about. Western cultures can be just as barbaric and uncivilized as anyone else.


I agree that humanity is just barbaric. But at least I want some clarity. I mean, if someone is a bad person, admits that, and acts accordingly and visibly in inhuman ways, at least you know what he's up to, and adjust yourself to that accordingly.
But when someone (like German docs) claims to be a better version of mother Theresa, and acts exactly like a Nazi, smiles at you and stabs you in the back while you are not looking, and the whole world also believes that person is literally as nice as Jesus, the situation is not so clear and that bothers me a lot.

I don't really care that the world is barbaric anymore. that's just fact, but at least they could just not play themselves up as being saints. And that's exactly what western governments / politicians / judges / doctors / teachers are doing. They just back up their mostly totally wrong and unjust ways with studies or paragraphs in old laws books and validate them, and make everyone including themselves think that they are doing the exact right thing, and their words are absolute truth. They have basically copied what the church was doing in the middle ages (forcing their subjective views on everyone), wrapped in glitter paper.

Basically I hate hypocrisy. even more so than barbaric behavior.
Basically if that director of the school in the video from the original subject of this thread would say: "I like to torture kids, because it's fun and it makes me giggle" I would be a bit less angry at the whole situation.

As of what German psychiatrists have done to me, I prefer not to talk about that.
but one thing they did was forcing me on up to 6 different psychiatric medication, and I spent years just watching the ceiling and drooling as a result. The reason was, most believe I'm a dangerous person and also maybe a pedophile. And I haven't done or said or even thought anything that would remotely suggest any of these.
I believe in the Bible and this sort of thing reminds me of how Satan works, parading as an angel of light but so evil.


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