Rudolf Heß and maybe Heinrich Himmler be an aspie?

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I'm just watching interesting British documentary series "Hitler's Circle of Evil" on Netflix
and noticed that both Heinrich Himmler and Rudolf Heß showing symptoms of Autism, like Himler's special interest in witchcraft and new age s**t (because they did not have, Star Wars D&D and RPG in III Reich ), and love for order, or social anxiety in case of Rudolf Heß.

But I found that someone posted a similar topic before, but it's over a decade old, so I decided to make a new on instead of necroposting old one
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I tried reading “The Banality of Evil” about Eichmann and his trial. What little I read would raise some red flags. Even Asperger was suspect.

I'd think it's pretty natural to have a clustering of autistic people in any extreme political movement, especially ones that may come across as "out there" and are more reliant on fixation on a single idea.

NTs are less likely to become radical because they get intoxicated in increasing their social standing. They're logically more likely to be moderate in their views. There's also likely a selection factor, where people like Hitler are gonna seek out people who are more staunch in their beliefs and less likely to emerge as a political challenger. People on the spectrum, especially to a sociopath are easy to control and easy to predict their behaviors.

It's important to note how much of an outlier nazis germany was.

Despite what some want to believe, it doesn't fit into the narrative of fascism///neonazism.

Fascism promises stability, preservation of the old guard, unity etc.

Nazism uniquely promised a Utopian outcome which more closely resembles communism. Nazism wasn't far right, in the sense that it wanted to preserve/restore society, it wanted to reinvent everything. It's a very very strange circumstance and we'll probably never see anything like it.

I'd think it's pretty natural to have a clustering of autistic people in any extreme political movement, especially ones that may come across as "out there" and are more reliant on fixation on a single idea.

NTs are less likely to become radical because they get intoxicated in increasing their social standing. They're logically more likely to be moderate in their views, as ideology can get in the way of making friends. There's also likely a selection factor, where people like Hitler are gonna seek out people who are more staunch in their beliefs and less likely to emerge as a political challenger. People on the spectrum, especially to a sociopath are easy to control and easy to predict their behaviors.

It's important to note how much of an outlier nazis germany was.

Despite what some want to believe, it doesn't fit into the narrative of fascism///neonazism.

Fascism promises stability, preservation of the old guard, unity etc.

Nazism uniquely promised a Utopian outcome which more closely resembles communism. Nazism wasn't far right, in the sense that it wanted to preserve/restore society, it wanted to reinvent everything. It's a very very strange circumstance and we'll probably never see anything like it.

You can say that again! I do have issue with separating Hitler from Stalin from Mao, as they all happened in sequence but more devastating in result. The bs domino theory but tbh, I think history is repetitive. A sidebar to the op.

I love reminding people that Mussolini was a diehard communist until they kicked him out.

I love reminding people that Hitler got elected by drawing votes from both the left and right.

But yeah there'll only be 1 Nazism. People do not understand what nazism is if they think it's conservative in the sense that they love tradition. Nazis's on the moon became a trope for a reason. Nazis's really thought they were gonna science the s**t out of civilization.

I hope so

I remember that old thread. Started by that guy who thought Himmler was an aspie. And he made a convincing argument.

Seemed like an odd topic to bring up at the time.

But I guess that you hafta take the good with the bad.

Some think its a felony to diagnose any celeb or historic figure. But some individuals you cant help wondering about. But then if you're gonna "claim" Einstein, Thelonius Monk, or Bill Gates, as an aspie then you have to open to the possibility that a Himmler, or an individual Columbine type shooter for example, might also be an aspie.

Thelonius Monk, that's a new one for me. Whoo-hooo!


Everyone and anyone is capable of both good and evil. Going with the low empathy, no loving environmental influence for the first important years, and the fact that everyone can turn off the empathy at will theory, I would predict the curve to be askew to one side or the other when compared to NTs. Proves nothing of value but thanks mom, for the good years.

Yeah. Thelonius Monk is in my own collection of "possible aspies", though not in the general public canon of possible aspies.

Our "history of Jazz" professor told a story about how Monk was at a gig in 1947, and someone said "there is cat playing piano across the street who looks just like you". So Monk checked out the performer at the other club, and returned and said "you're right. He does look like me.".

Then in 1952 Monk ran into the same guy who pointed out that out, and the first thing out of Monk's mouth was " but he is uglier than I am.".

He finished a sentence that had started five years earlier.

How? What a mistake it is to see Nazism as unique. If earlier civilizations had the industrial power, they wouldn't create something similar? Nazism is just the logical endpoint of civilization, which also enforces normalization at the expense of real people and real life. Even today we ruin the planet that allows us to exist, all for pointless distractions and "progress." Is that better than the Holocaust?

Both were small and physically inept. Ideal targets for bullies. If they were Aspie on top of that, they would have been bullied more. There was often speculation that Hitler was bullied by Jews, but maybe these two as well?