How can an NT help a friend having an autistic burnout

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27 Jul 2018, 5:25 am

Hi, I have been reading about “autistic burnout” as a good friend of mine is most likely having one after 4 years of suppressing his traits while trying to keep a very stressful job. Aside from being understanding, is there any way I can help without being too much?



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27 Jul 2018, 6:38 am

Being understanding goes a long ways. Most of the people who have helped me throughout life have been "NT". I like being taken on easygoing activities when I'm burnt out to unwind. A walk, a movie, a day at the zoo, eating somewhere nice as in laid back. Stuff like that. It helps me personally to let someone else do the decision making and just go along for the ride.



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27 Jul 2018, 10:56 am

EzraS wrote:
Being understanding goes a long ways. Most of the people who have helped me throughout life have been "NT". I like being taken on easygoing activities when I'm burnt out to unwind. A walk, a movie, a day at the zoo, eating somewhere nice as in laid back. Stuff like that. It helps me personally to let someone else do the decision making and just go along for the ride.


Thank you for this! How do your friends get you to come out of your house? Are you reluctant as well? I’m having difficulty inviting this friend of mine to come out of his, even if it’s just for quick lunches or dinners. I’m worried that he’d find me a little too much if I keep checking in on him from time to time. Or is that alright?



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27 Jul 2018, 11:51 am

Maybe instead of going out to eat, you could bring him food?



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27 Jul 2018, 2:02 pm

Baiken wrote:
Thank you for this! How do your friends get you to come out of your house? Are you reluctant as well? I’m having difficulty inviting this friend of mine to come out of his, even if it’s just for quick lunches or dinners. I’m worried that he’d find me a little too much if I keep checking in on him from time to time. Or is that alright?

Remember that for an autistic person, PEOPLE may be a big part of their autistic burnout. So it might be annoying to him to have you visit. Take your cue from your friend.

hobojungle's suggestion about bringing food is a good one, but it's also true that autistic people sometimes have very specific food aversions, so you might want to ask first if he is okay with your choice.

And I agree with EzraS that just being supportive may be a much bigger thing than you realize. We are so used to being misunderstood that when someone shows himself to be a reliable positive influence (also known as a good friend), it might be the thing that keeps us going.


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27 Jul 2018, 2:17 pm

I had a burn out a few years ago and was off work for many weeks over a 6 month period. There were simply too many demands on my time - at work, family at home and my own hobbies/commitments.

What I am trying to say is being asked out on numerous occasions could be being perceived as another thing that needs juggling along with everything else.

Going out doesn't mean that it has to be social though. My ideal "going out" is to get somewhere AWAY from crowds.



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27 Jul 2018, 4:46 pm

NT tend not help AS/ASD people when they have a Autistic Burnout.From my experience,NT people actually make it worse.



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27 Jul 2018, 5:39 pm

Baiken wrote:
. . . I’m worried that he’d find me a little too much if I keep checking in on him from time to time. Or is that alright?
Maybe phase back somewhat, like in the broad range of phasing back anywhere from 10 to 40%?

And perhaps casually pick up some fruit or sweet squash from the green grocery for your next visit without making a big deal out of it.



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28 Jul 2018, 12:14 am

Thank you, everyone! Really appreciate your input.



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29 Jul 2018, 2:50 am

Baiken wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Being understanding goes a long ways. Most of the people who have helped me throughout life have been "NT". I like being taken on easygoing activities when I'm burnt out to unwind. A walk, a movie, a day at the zoo, eating somewhere nice as in laid back. Stuff like that. It helps me personally to let someone else do the decision making and just go along for the ride.


Thank you for this! How do your friends get you to come out of your house? Are you reluctant as well? I’m having difficulty inviting this friend of mine to come out of his, even if it’s just for quick lunches or dinners. I’m worried that he’d find me a little too much if I keep checking in on him from time to time. Or is that alright?


Family does that, not friends. I like getting out, but I know others don't. Maybe bring over some burgers, order a pizza, which TV, idle conversation. Be prepared to very causally leave if needed. Everything laid back as possible.



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29 Jul 2018, 7:28 pm

Understanding comes first. I could attest that.
Knowing what relaxing is to the autistic person comes after that. Just ask.



In my case, I'm best to be left alone. By taking huge breaks from anything. Interactions kept minimum, and always go solo.
Otherwise, I'd not only lash out of control, sensing physical presence and taking account of the person itself gets overwhelming. So yes, people itself makes burnouts worse.
Moving and sensing the air as I move is painful too, in my case whenever I burnout.

I'm not recluse. I may choose to go out even if it quickly tires me. Because of course, I get bored too. More like I'm reclusive because it hurts and exhausting, and I couldn't take so much stimuli.
Going solo because taking account of the company who is either putting up with me or having to keep up to, is even worse than dealing with the chaos alone. Because I'm not the kind who seeks an 'anchor' and stay there -- I'm the kind who would rather roam free out of restraint and tension of taking account of too many things.


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31 Jul 2018, 6:36 pm

When I went through a massive burnout three years ago, I needed solitude and I needed to remove as much sensory stimuli as possible. It was not possible for me to talk to people or to have them around. The only exception was my brother because we have a very close bond and he is able to be with me without being threatening or without overloading my sensory receptors. I liked knowing that he was close but he was not in my face or causing me to have to interpret any unnecessary sensory information like his facial expressions. When he spoke to me it was very quietly and calmly and slowly and directly so that I could clearly understand what he was saying and I did not have to spend energy interpreting or trying to understand his words. He spoke in short clear direct sentences and only when he had to. And he had the cat meow to me on the phone which I loved. He made sure everything he did was also slow and calm and quiet so that it would not take any energy from me. I really appreciated that because I knew I was not alone but at the same time I was not getting overwhelmed by him.


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01 Aug 2018, 3:22 am

Do not be offended if you bring some food and your friend can't eat it. When I had my big burnout, there were moments when I literally could not remember how to eat or how to go to the bathroom. There are also times when I don't have enough energy to manage to eat and I just have to wait until I can again. It may take time for some skills to come back if s/he has lost skills. Even the most basic skills can deteriorate or be lost during a major burnout. Sometimes you don't get them back as well as you used to have them and rarely but sometimes you might not get them back at all. But depending on how bad the burnout is, the inability to function in even the most basic ways can become pretty compromised. In order to have a chance to recover it takes lots of time and quiet and sensory destimulation. So you may have to be very patient if your friend is as bad as I was. It took me a few weeks to be able to function at a good level again. I don't think I ever fully completely 100% recovered though. I don't know if I am able to have a full and complete 100% recovery.


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01 Aug 2018, 8:02 pm

I have only experienced autistic burnout in my child so this might not be helpful. She has had two - one at 5 and one at 8. Then she got diagnosed and has not had anything like that since.

For her she literally needed to be in a safe cocoon where she didn't need to make any choices or feel any pressure. She couldn't dress for example as it was too overwhelming to choose clothes and she couldn't accept help. I covered the floor from corner to corner in kraft paper, put the heat up, and let her sit and doodle. Gradually by removing all expectations she started coming out of it. Though drawing various imaginary friends and their clothing she found it easier to contemplate clothing again and after a few days she entertained the idea of "dressing up" and could again wear clothes. It took 2.5 weeks at 5 and at 8 it took about 2 months to fully come out of it. Sure that is not helpful to your situations but perhaps taking pressure and expectations away is.

In your situation I would cook simple nourishing meals in portions and bring them over without expecting to stay. I would try to not ask questions and keep interactions simple and uplifting. Sending a nice picture, a short message that doesn't require a response or put pressure on. Does your friend have any particular interest or hobbies that they might find uplifting?


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01 Aug 2018, 8:26 pm

elsapelsa wrote:
I have only experienced autistic burnout in my child so this might not be helpful. She has had two - one at 5 and one at 8. Then she got diagnosed and has not had anything like that since.

For her she literally needed to be in a safe cocoon where she didn't need to make any choices or feel any pressure. She couldn't dress for example as it was too overwhelming to choose clothes and she couldn't accept help. I covered the floor from corner to corner in kraft paper, put the heat up, and let her sit and doodle. Gradually by removing all expectations she started coming out of it. Though drawing various imaginary friends and their clothing she found it easier to contemplate clothing again and after a few days she entertained the idea of "dressing up" and could again wear clothes. It took 2.5 weeks at 5 and at 8 it took about 2 months to fully come out of it. Sure that is not helpful to your situations but perhaps taking pressure and expectations away is.

In your situation I would cook simple nourishing meals in portions and bring them over without expecting to stay. I would try to not ask questions and keep interactions simple and uplifting. Sending a nice picture, a short message that doesn't require a response or put pressure on. Does your friend have any particular interest or hobbies that they might find uplifting?
That is excellent advice. Someone following your advice would have really helped me in my burnout. It is amazing that your daughter had them so young. You did well to help her the way you did. People do not realize that a severe burnout could potentially be deadly if the person is not cared for and allowed to recover.


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elsapelsa wrote:
I have only experienced autistic burnout in my child so this might not be helpful. She has had two - one at 5 and one at 8. Then she got diagnosed and has not had anything like that since.

For her she literally needed to be in a safe cocoon where she didn't need to make any choices or feel any pressure. She couldn't dress for example as it was too overwhelming to choose clothes and she couldn't accept help. I covered the floor from corner to corner in kraft paper, put the heat up, and let her sit and doodle. Gradually by removing all expectations she started coming out of it. Though drawing various imaginary friends and their clothing she found it easier to contemplate clothing again and after a few days she entertained the idea of "dressing up" and could again wear clothes. It took 2.5 weeks at 5 and at 8 it took about 2 months to fully come out of it. Sure that is not helpful to your situations but perhaps taking pressure and expectations away is.

In your situation I would cook simple nourishing meals in portions and bring them over without expecting to stay. I would try to not ask questions and keep interactions simple and uplifting. Sending a nice picture, a short message that doesn't require a response or put pressure on. Does your friend have any particular interest or hobbies that they might find uplifting?
That is excellent advice. Someone following your advice would have really helped me in my burnout. It is amazing that your daughter had them so young. You did well to help her the way you did. People do not realize that a severe burnout could potentially be deadly if the person is not cared for and allowed to recover.


Thank you. :heart:

What amazes me is that the one she had a 5 was really very severe but once we worked through it she just became her normal self again and I was falsely tricked into thinking it was all just a blip.... not exactly normal but on the far edge of normal. Then it took 3 years before she had another one. In hindsight the first one was a combo of feeling overwhelmed about becoming a big sister and starting school; the second was a "there is something different about me and it is freaking me out" kind of panic. Once we realised what that something different was and gave it a name and read loads of books and got on top of her sensory issues - that something different wasn't particularly threatening. In fact if made her feel safe and she is a super confident aspie now in many ways.

I would be lying if I didn't think there would be more. Just the thought of helping someone with her stressors through adolescence makes me somewhat nervous.... But now day to day living is geared all around reducing stress and both her and I have better coping strategies in place so when they happen we'll just take a deep breath and brainstorm and deal with it.


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