Chris Chan & Criminal sanctions for internet trolls.

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Should people who troll mentally handicapped people that encourage ridicule of themselves by saying stupid things on social media ever be subject to criminal prosecution?

Yes, but only if the trolling is malicious, and has a serious detrimental impact on the victims real life.	41%	[ 15 ]
Yes, but only if doing so does not limit other kinds of free speech.	8%	[ 3 ]
No. Handicapped people have a personal responsibility to self censor what they say online if they don't want to get trolled.	8%	[ 3 ]
No. Free speech is an absolute right.	19%	[ 7 ]
Option 1 + 2.	11%	[ 4 ]
Other (please state).	14%	[ 5 ]

Total votes : 37

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05 Apr 2014, 2:16 am

I have not done a poll before, so I will do one now.

I have been interested in Chris Chan recently after someone mentioned him on this site. Chris Chan is an autistic who posts video's of himself online. It is fairly obvious that the reaction from trolls has had a seriously detrimental effect on his life.

Reading youtube comments, the general consensus is that he deserves to get trolled, because he keeps making video's of himself saying compromising and embarrassing things, and playing into the hands of trolls. I am interested in whether people agree or disagree with this. Should there be intervention at some point?

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05 Apr 2014, 2:38 am

Voting isn't working for me but I'm not sure I agree with any of the responses.

Trolls are basically half the people who make anonymous post on youtube. You can't prosecute every single one of them. It's a waste of time and taxpayer money. Basically, just, people suck.

I do think harsher action should be taken against sites like encyclopedia dramatica though since the impact of a website listing devoted entirely to chris chan is far greater than one single poster on its on on youtube. I can't for the life of me understand why that site is still up and running. It's bullying obviously and I would say it perhaps reaches the criminal level.

Trolls are idiots. They are only making themselves look stupid.

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05 Apr 2014, 4:59 am

Chris Chan turned himself into a celebrity. If he is too intellectually disabled or whatever to make videos then You Tube should cancel his account. As a celebrity he's going to get the same kind of negative attention any other celebrity can get. This isn't just limited to You Tube comments. Look up things like Chris Chan memes. Or what people say about Chris Chan on Reddit or 4chan etc.

I don't think it would be fair of me to make videos that I know are going to get negative attention, and have some kind of "be nice to me or I will have you arrested" power against others. The way for someone to stop being bullied or harassed on the internet is to simply pull the plug. Stop posting videos. Stop Facebooking. Stop Tweeting. Stop whatever it is that you are doing where you are being given a hard time. I've known of two kids who have attempted (or claimed to) suicide over mean stuff said to them in the teen discussion forums I'm on. I think they are being ridiculous. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but its like if you don't like what you are seeing, stop posting. Log out and find another hobby. In each case these two basically kept posting the kind of stuff they had already gotten negative comments over.

I'm plenty autistic and I've never had anything like that in over 10,000 posts to NT forums. That's because I don't crave attention and call attention to myself all the time. If I did, I'd probably be a lot less liked and I would have no one to blame except for myself. And last time I looked, You Tube comments can be moderated or disabled. So sorry, but I don't feel sorry for Chris Chan. For all I know he's just putting on an act.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj0TmphLDsQ

My response to the first 10 seconds of what he's saying? If that's true then STOP MAKING VIDEOS!

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05 Apr 2014, 5:07 am

When it comes to online trolls they like to go after people with a short temper because they are easy to wind up and when someone responds to troll posts by making an angry video thats when s**t hits the fan. Chris Chan is not a very nice guy anyway hes racist sexist and gives autism a bad name.

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05 Apr 2014, 5:24 am

AspieOtaku wrote:

When it comes to online trolls they like to go after people with a short temper because they are easy to wind up and when someone responds to troll posts by making an angry video thats when sh** hits the fan. Chris Chan is not a very nice guy anyway hes racist sexist and gives autism a bad name.

Does anyone even know for sure if Chris Chan is even real? I remember this guy in the video below from when I was little, and it turned out to all just be an act. But at the time everyone was making a huge deal over this guy and if he had Aspergers and on and on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvrTSQ8a6gQ

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05 Apr 2014, 6:05 am

EzraS wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

When it comes to online trolls they like to go after people with a short temper because they are easy to wind up and when someone responds to troll posts by making an angry video thats when sh** hits the fan. Chris Chan is not a very nice guy anyway hes racist sexist and gives autism a bad name.

I think so. There are video's of him that range from childhood to present.

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05 Apr 2014, 6:21 am

Stannis wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Does anyone even know for sure if Chris Chan is even real?

I think so. There are video's of him that range from childhood to present.

Well I obviously don't know much about him. So maybe I'm out of line. But those I do know about were either fakes or seemed to be attention seeker drama queens. I mean the one girl I know who's been bullied and said she attempted suicide over it, is still posting away and talking about all these terrible messages she gets from someone that she could easily block. I like her and consider her a friend. But at the same time I think she brings a lot of this on herself. When I tried to tell her that, she acted like I stabbed her in the back or whatever.

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05 Apr 2014, 7:23 am

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05 Apr 2014, 7:38 am

I'm on the side of free speech here. I'm no fan of trolls but I wouldn't support criminal sanctions against them, when the authorities are stretched enough fighting really serious crimes why waste money tracking down and prosecuting people who make nasty comments? I largely agree with EzraS, if you can't deal with the criticism that comes with putting yourself or your work in the public eye, don't put yourself there. I say that as someone who's made a YouTube that gets a great of hate, except I don't give a toss about the negative comments and I feed off the tears of the angry :twisted:

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05 Apr 2014, 8:07 am

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I'm not really talking about about people who post nasty comments. Troll's posed as his girlfriends and then told him to perform degrading acts on cam to impress them and posted the interactions online. He fell for this several times, and the fact that he did, I think, shows that he lacks the ability to properly process what's happening to him.

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05 Apr 2014, 8:59 am

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Jojopa wrote:

That's pretty low, but I can't really see how you could make any of that illegal. Posing as his girlfriend? Make lying online illegal and that's half the Internet that has to be booked. Chris ultimately made the choice to interact with those people, if he lacks the ability to tell what's happening then his carer should restrict his Internet access. If he doesn't have a carer, then he should be given one if he genuinely is that socially naive.

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05 Apr 2014, 10:05 am

EzraS wrote:

So essentially people should just STFU if they are getting harassed online...not sure I agree with this concept. Now while one cannot expect positive feedback only if negative feedback reaches the point of bullying or harrassment I think there should be consequences. Though not sure if this is true for youtube but perhaps there is an option to ban people posing on ones video. I am certain people can be reported to though sometimes on websites it seems like they don't really look into the matters and take any action towards the member posting harassing things. To an extent I do agree it may be good to take a break from the internet, maybe delete certain accounts and do try to use some caution when posting things and be aware of where you are posting to avoid unnessisary harrassment but I think everyone has a right to youtube without being harrassed, I personally do avoid certain sites/forums if I am having a bad day mentally and can't handle potential negativity but thats for my mental health not because I think I should just shut up and stop expressing myself on the internet if someone starts harassing me.

Still have not looked into this Chris Chan thing or whatever....so not sure if all of what I say applies to that, perhaps he's more or less being a troll himself in which case I would agree maybe he should knock it off but I will have to look into this to see what I think. But if this is a case of someone trying to simply talk about autism and how it effects them for instance I don't think they should be harrassed, if people don't like it they don't have to watch it. Disabling comments could be a good idea, or blocking people if that is an option.

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05 Apr 2014, 10:12 am

Jojopa wrote:

Stannis wrote:

Jojopa wrote:

Maybe on the grounds of posting videos of this individual without their consent, especially if any of it was sexual in nature. Also I don't think falling in with the wrong people because they acted like your friend and gradually started manipulating and using you warrents needing a carer or being restricted from the internet....it even happens to perfectly functional neurotypicals. If a girl gets in a relationship with a great guy and then he starts showing his abusive side and physically assaulting her is it her fault for interacting with him without knowing they would do that? should the then be banned from any internet site where they might meet people? I mean come on now.

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05 Apr 2014, 10:40 am

I always thought he was the troll because can anyone really be that dumb what they do online and keep on doing it if they keep on getting flak for it? I have always ignored him because I feel he does it all for attention and some people crave it and he is doing a darn good job with it. I was the same way as a kid because I was desperate for it so I would try and do goofy things just to get a reaction out of kids. Some people do say he is an idiot and some also say he is a troll.

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05 Apr 2014, 11:03 am

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I agree with this.^ Posting intimate photos or videos of a person without consent is a violation of privacy. And yes this kind of thing happens to NTs too. I don't know if it can be prosecuted as criminal behavior but I think it should be. It is definitely grounds for a lawsuit.

I don't know much about the situation with Chris Chan. But it sounds like what is happening to him is way beyond trolling, it's more like harassment. That is definitely criminal behavior. It's not a matter of whether he "deserves" it or brings it on himself, those people are liable for their own actions.

I am also wondering if anything these people are saying to him could be considered hate speech against autistic people in general.

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05 Apr 2014, 11:51 am

I was just reading about this stuff because of a previous post. Don't feed the trolls makes the most sence.

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