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11 Dec 2018, 2:11 pm

I’m married to a 49 year old Aspie, lately he has been acting out of character with me. When he comes home from work, he has a smirky look on his face and acts really distant. Today I noticed that he was wearing yesterday’s shirt. So he went to work in a dirty shirt. He smirks at me and said no and that he put on a clean one this morning.

Other strange things has happened, when he did or say something out of character and I question him he then said he didn’t say or do those things. Nothing important but strange.

He is constantly smirky at me, He has never looked at me like that before.

He also seems spaced out like he is on drugs, he has never taken drugs or I know for a fact he wouldn’t either.

I have asked him about this and he does a funny laugh and walks away. I have noticed that he has annoyed look on his face when he turns away from me.

When I kiss him in a hugging moment, he wipes his mouth as if to say yuk! He is doing things he has never done before.

Does anyone have any ideas please?



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11 Dec 2018, 2:29 pm

That is really strange. In general, Aspies cannot read facial expressions very well, nor can they make facial expression either. Their expressions are often misinterpreted. I suspect that Aspies cannot keep secrets well either. So if one of the positive traits of an Aspie is "They are often direct, speak their mind and are honest." Then sit down with your husband and have a heart-to-heart talk. Tell him that you noticed (the traits you mentioned) and you are deeply concerned something is wrong. You would like to help him. You have his back.

You might chose the moment. Probably not when he comes home from work because he might be under stress overload. Maybe a weekend will be best.


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11 Dec 2018, 2:33 pm

Has he been forgetful at all? The shirt thing and the spaced out comment made me wonder. It could be an early sign of dementia in which case he should be screened.

Has his schedule changed at all? Longer time at work or on the computer? The not liking being kissed thing might hint at him being distracted by someone else?



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11 Dec 2018, 2:46 pm

jimmy m wrote:
That is really strange. In general, Aspies cannot read facial expressions very well, nor can they make facial expression either. Their expressions are often misinterpreted. I suspect that Aspies cannot keep secrets well either. So if one of the positive traits of an Aspie is "They are often direct, speak their mind and are honest." Then sit down with your husband and have a heart-to-heart talk. Tell him that you noticed (the traits you mentioned) and you are deeply concerned something is wrong. You would like to help him. You have his back.

You might chose the moment. Probably not when he comes home from work because he might be under stress overload. Maybe a weekend will be best.


Thank you for replying Jimmy

We have had a heart to heart about this, before the shirt thing. He says I am imagining it all. Nothing is wrong, then he changes the subject, if I persist he gets annoyed with me. Bit of background info, he has been diagnosed 10 years ago, but he can say he has Aspergers but he thinks everything is everybody fault. I feel he is still in denial. Is it possible that he is mirroring someone else’s behaviour? He seems to act like a different person at the moment.



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11 Dec 2018, 3:03 pm

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Has he been forgetful at all? The shirt thing and the spaced out comment made me wonder. It could be an early sign of dementia in which case he should be screened.

Has his schedule changed at all? Longer time at work or on the computer? The not liking being kissed thing might hint at him being distracted by someone else?


Thank you for replying puzzledoll.

Yes he has been forgetful, I’ve read it as brain fog on the internet. He is an Architect and spends all day on the computer, he has done for years. He works a typical 9 to 5 job.

In your answer to your other question
I have had a suspicion, he could be having an affair at work with a female work colleague, so he could be pre occupied with her, but he would only see her at work. He is home with us (family) all the other times. He has no friends. I have talked about this woman but he insists nothing is going on. I have no evidence of course, he doesn’t use his phone or social media, but I know for sure she is keen on him. She doesn’t like me and refuses to talk to me or is abrupt to me, when I been to the office or events. She is all over my husband.

My husband gets on with women better then men. I can see women think that he fancies them. It is all a mess with his communication. His parents are in denial about his AS and had a very close relationship with his mum. His dad couldn’t be bothered with him.

We have has therapy but my husband seems to think that I have a problem (which I had with low confidence), this was due to him blaming me for all his problems before AS. Since his diagnosis he has been on/off with me. I am having therapy now and I feel a lot happier in myself. It seems since I’ve been happier he has been strange with me. Sorry for the long reply.



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11 Dec 2018, 9:42 pm

I hope I'm wrong about this but perhaps he's having an affair & is caught up in that mentally.


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12 Dec 2018, 5:42 am

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I hope I'm wrong about this but perhaps he's having an affair & is caught up in that mentally.


Maybe, well he would have to have sex at work. During working hours. Do people actually have sex in the office? We speak at lunch time and I know he doesn’t do it at lunch.

She has her own office, she is the Office Manager. She is a right flirt being the only female in the office, my Husband says she sits on the male colleagues desk when the directors are out and teases them. She misbehaves a lot. She is loud and giggly. Now of course people do flirt, but how far does she go. I’ve seen her and she looks like she is on drugs, I thought maybe she might have given my husband something.



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12 Dec 2018, 6:02 am

TracyLou wrote:
he would have to have sex at work. During working hours. Do people actually have sex in the office? We speak at lunch time and I know he doesn’t do it at lunch.


They probably haven't gone that far and maybe that's why he's feeling a degree of resentment towards you at the moment, he's entertaining the idea of having an affair with her but can't go there.



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12 Dec 2018, 3:53 pm

While it could be an affair, I've had to deal with dementia recently and as usual hyperfocused and learned all I could about it. The behaviors do fit some of the early stage signs. It wouldn't hurt to do a bit of research yourself and see if it could be possible and talk to him about getting screened if you think it might be a possibility. It's always better to catch it as early as possible.



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12 Dec 2018, 5:15 pm

Yes, he should be screened for dementia and depression as well. I believe there is a certain cognitive test that addresses both issues. I think it is a type of survey test.



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12 Dec 2018, 7:34 pm

The age of 49 seems a little early for dementia but it is not out of the question. Many people who begin to lose their memory, tend to want to hide it from others and also not admit it is happening. They will go to great length to not be forced to admit the condition to others. And if they are pressed into a corner by hard facts, they often tend to change the subject quickly.

When my mom was in a nursing home, she would call me with some very wild stories. She shared a room with another women in the nursing home. One day I received a call. My mom said that the woman in the next bed died and that the nursing home was trying to keep everything all Hush, Hush. Anyways later in the day I visited her. When I entered the room I could see the woman was quite alive. I told my mom that the woman was alive. She said No!, No! She died. I pulled back the curtain separating the beds. And I said "See she is still alive". Mom changed the subject quickly.

There is also another factor that tends to be overlooked. As a person ages, their senses become diminished. So my mom's hearing was for the most part gone and her eyesight was failing. When a person is in this condition, their minds fill in the blanks. A shadow on the wall at night becomes a large dangerous spider. She hears one or two words in a paragraph and her mind fills in all the blanks which produces some very elaborate stories.

So has your husband also been showing signs of reduced memory. Getting lost, losing car keys or locking them in a car, forgetting his wallet, no knowing the day of the week? Are their observations that might indicate early Alzheimers or dementia?


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13 Dec 2018, 8:51 am

I would write an anonymous letter to the Human Resources department saying that so and so is sexually harassing the males in the job ( she is), and that you expect something done as soon as possible.

Never tell anyone and especially him that you sent such letter.

Whether or not he’s having an affair is not the issue, because if he is, he’s being bullying into it.

From what I perceive, he comes home and is showing signs of aversion to sexual contact, using mutism as a defense mechanism and by smirking at you, he’s trying to send you a message of the stress and pain occurring inside him.



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13 Dec 2018, 9:12 am

TracyLou wrote:
I’m married to a 49 year old Aspie, lately he has been acting out of character with me. When he comes home from work, he has a smirky look on his face and acts really distant. Today I noticed that he was wearing yesterday’s shirt. So he went to work in a dirty shirt. He smirks at me and said no and that he put on a clean one this morning.

Other strange things has happened, when he did or say something out of character and I question him he then said he didn’t say or do those things. Nothing important but strange.

He is constantly smirky at me, He has never looked at me like that before.

He also seems spaced out like he is on drugs, he has never taken drugs or I know for a fact he wouldn’t either.

I have asked him about this and he does a funny laugh and walks away. I have noticed that he has annoyed look on his face when he turns away from me.

When I kiss him in a hugging moment, he wipes his mouth as if to say yuk! He is doing things he has never done before.

Does anyone have any ideas please?

My first thought was rather autistic burnout than anything else.
Pretending to be normal when you are autistic, having a job, family, social circle – it's exhausting in long run. His sensory issues (yes, he might have them with kissing) may have built up to the point he can't deny them anymore. The mind is foggy in that state, you forget simple things (like today I didn't notice changing the of traffic lights to green and had to wait another turn). Even the most loving people are... simple interaction with them is a pain.
And, unfortunately, men often deny having problems with mental health :/ I mean, if he is extremely exhausted and suffering, he may still think he should just be tough, go on with work, etc. And feel ashamed of his state, men don't like to feel vulnerable. And as confused with it all as you are, autistic people rarely understand their own emotions.

Does he have his off-time alone? Without you, the kids, anyone interacting with him? Can be at home only really undisturbed.


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13 Dec 2018, 10:52 am

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I would write an anonymous letter to the Human Resources department saying that so and so is sexually harassing the males in the job ( she is), and that you expect something done as soon as possible.

Never tell anyone and especially him that you sent such letter.

Whether or not he’s having an affair is not the issue, because if he is, he’s being bullying into it.

From what I perceive, he comes home and is showing signs of aversion to sexual contact, using mutism as a defense mechanism and by smirking at you, he’s trying to send you a message of the stress and pain occurring inside him.


From reading this thread, I also suspect sexual harassment is occurring. I've been sexually harassed in the past too, and I can tell you, it's not fun. This happened about two years ago.

Every time I went to practice karate, twice a week, this girl would repeatedly make "datey" comments related to me being her boyfriend and getting married. Saying "fat chance" did not work, so, one night, I dragged her into a dark alley and said "listen here. I said no dating. If you ask me one more time, I will either report you to the head instructor, or you will give you one punch. Make up your mind." This tactic seemed to be effective, for since that day, I've not be sexually harassed.


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14 Dec 2018, 2:09 am

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The age of 49 seems a little early for dementia but it is not out of the question. Many people who begin to lose their memory, tend to want to hide it from others and also not admit it is happening. They will go to great length to not be forced to admit the condition to others. And if they are pressed into a corner by hard facts, they often tend to change the subject quickly.

When my mom was in a nursing home, she would call me with some very wild stories. She shared a room with another women in the nursing home. One day I received a call. My mom said that the woman in the next bed died and that the nursing home was trying to keep everything all Hush, Hush. Anyways later in the day I visited her. When I entered the room I could see the woman was quite alive. I told my mom that the woman was alive. She said No!, No! She died. I pulled back the curtain separating the beds. And I said "See she is still alive". Mom changed the subject quickly.

There is also another factor that tends to be overlooked. As a person ages, their senses become diminished. So my mom's hearing was for the most part gone and her eyesight was failing. When a person is in this condition, their minds fill in the blanks. A shadow on the wall at night becomes a large dangerous spider. She hears one or two words in a paragraph and her mind fills in all the blanks which produces some very elaborate stories.

So has your husband also been showing signs of reduced memory. Getting lost, losing car keys or locking them in a car, forgetting his wallet, no knowing the day of the week? Are their observations that might indicate early Alzheimers or dementia?


No other signs like that, could be stressed at work, he has a big deadline before Christmas, but I do think he is pre occupied with someone, thanks for the thumbs up though.



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14 Dec 2018, 2:18 am

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TracyLou wrote:
I’m married to a 49 year old Aspie, lately he has been acting out of character with me. When he comes home from work, he has a smirky look on his face and acts really distant. Today I noticed that he was wearing yesterday’s shirt. So he went to work in a dirty shirt. He smirks at me and said no and that he put on a clean one this morning.

Other strange things has happened, when he did or say something out of character and I question him he then said he didn’t say or do those things. Nothing important but strange.

He is constantly smirky at me, He has never looked at me like that before.

He also seems spaced out like he is on drugs, he has never taken drugs or I know for a fact he wouldn’t either.

I have asked him about this and he does a funny laugh and walks away. I have noticed that he has annoyed look on his face when he turns away from me.

When I kiss him in a hugging moment, he wipes his mouth as if to say yuk! He is doing things he has never done before.

Does anyone have any ideas please?

My first thought was rather autistic burnout than anything else.
Pretending to be normal when you are autistic, having a job, family, social circle – it's exhausting in long run. His sensory issues (yes, he might have them with kissing) may have built up to the point he can't deny them anymore. The mind is foggy in that state, you forget simple things (like today I didn't notice changing the of traffic lights to green and had to wait another turn). Even the most loving people are... simple interaction with them is a pain.
And, unfortunately, men often deny having problems with mental health :/ I mean, if he is extremely exhausted and suffering, he may still think he should just be tough, go on with work, etc. And feel ashamed of his state, men don't like to feel vulnerable. And as confused with it all as you are, autistic people rarely understand their own emotions.

Does he have his off-time alone? Without you, the kids, anyone interacting with him? Can be at home only really undisturbed.


I believe autistic burnout. I’ve been sympathetic and given him timeout but he insists he doesn’t need it. Although we are in the same room I give him space. I have always done so. We never go out socially, have no friends, his choice. I get my social life when the he is at work and children at school. I accommodate him as much as possible a# I am fully aware of his needs, and I accept he can’t see to all my needs.