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19 Dec 2018, 5:21 am

So what are the seven social processes that grease the slippery slope of evil?
Mindlessly taking the first small step.
Dehumanization of others.
De-individuation of self.
Diffusion of personal responsibility.
Blind obedience to authority.
Uncritical conformity to group norms.
Passive tolerance of evil through inaction, or indifference.

Autistic don't conform to group norms and in my experience,

they don't passively tolerate evil, The Autistic intuitive concept of self and others would seem to ret*d De-individuation of self, Autistics have a hard time thinking of something besides the 'Aut' and

dehumanization of others, Autistics can't help put themselves in others shoes when they notice others.

Autistic learn to think thing though before doing them because if they mindlessly do stuff they are rejected my society.


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19 Dec 2018, 5:52 am

"Despite all appearances, no on is truly evil. They are led astray by delusion. If you contemplate this truth often, you will offer more light than blame and condemnation."
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19 Dec 2018, 8:18 am

Mentally disabled autists may be often classified as not being moral agents (since their understanding of other people is so limited) so they are literally less evil than people on average.

Aspergers and high-functioning autists may have a relatively high disposition to follow moral principles they have adopted but I would not be surprised if they often had more more challenges to treat people around them well (due to being more aggressive, getting irritated by others relatively easily, having less emotional attachment to other people etc.).



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19 Dec 2018, 2:26 pm

NTs don't always convey themselves to each other accurately, but they all instinctively use the law-of-averages and statistical probability to infer what another individual is trying to convey. Most of the time, their
inference is correct.

When they occasionally encounter the freak Aspie, we throw a wrench in their system: either they know they
can't accurately read us, and it scares them; or, they think they can read us, proceed to read us the way they'd read another NT, and end up misreading us altogether, usually for the worse.

This may lead to nasty/hostile/occasionally violent responses from NTs misreading us. These NTs might not behave this way with other NTs, but feel justified when they misread us (as they think they've read us correctly and see us as being in the wrong).

Aspies are more tolerant, in a sense, because we're used to not being able to accurately infer what most people are conveying. We often know that we don't know. We don't have the luxury of being as hasty to judge others, because we know we can't accurately judge others.

In short - NTs are usually accurate in their reading abilities, and will "act evil" when encountering/misreading us.
Aspies are used to not being able to read others accurately and can't afford the luxury of hostility every time we misunderstand someone (or are misunderstood).



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19 Dec 2018, 3:20 pm

Autistics are less manipulative than NTs. That because they are less able to manipulate people. So they are less evil because they have less ability to be evil.



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19 Dec 2018, 5:09 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Autistics are less manipulative than NTs. That because they are less able to manipulate people. So they are less evil because they have less ability to be evil.


My impression is that people who are slightly autists might often be more suitable for manipulating others that people on average because slight autism does not often decrease abilities for manipulation but may imply considerable additional emotional distance towards other people.



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19 Dec 2018, 6:13 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Autistics are less manipulative than NTs. That because they are less able to manipulate people. So they are less evil because they have less ability to be evil.


I've found that to be true. Not only are they less manipulative but they seem to become targets for NT's who manipulate. I know several Aspies who have trustingly loaned money out to friends, only never to be paid back.



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19 Dec 2018, 6:29 pm

Rodland wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Autistics are less manipulative than NTs. That because they are less able to manipulate people. So they are less evil because they have less ability to be evil.


My impression is that people who are slightly autists might often be more suitable for manipulating others that people on average because slight autism does not often decrease abilities for manipulation but may imply considerable additional emotional distance towards other people.


Utter nonsense.

you're not describing autistics. you're describing sociopaths.

Autistics have sympathy but lack empathy (feel sorry for you but lack theory of mind and cant infer your motives). Sociopaths have empathy but no sympathy (know how others tick but have no conscious about using others).



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20 Dec 2018, 12:46 am

Everyone, regardless of if they're autistic or not, has good and evil in them.


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20 Dec 2018, 5:13 am

A problem I see in the comparing autistics to neurotypicals in regards to human nature, is that often those who do so have never spent much time with other autistics. In my case I have been surrounded by other autistics my entire life in in private schools for autistics, special camps and so on.

So a lot of times I see certain bad human nature characteristics applied to neurotypicals that autistics are supposed to be devoid of. But I know from so much personal experience that is often not the case.

Based on my extensive observation, autistics are just as diverse as neurotypicals when it comes to human nature.



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20 Dec 2018, 5:38 am

AnnieAnn wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Autistics are less manipulative than NTs. That because they are less able to manipulate people. So they are less evil because they have less ability to be evil.


I've found that to be true. Not only are they less manipulative but they seem to become targets for NT's who manipulate. I know several Aspies who have trustingly loaned money out to friends, only never to be paid back.


Whereas I have seen aspies take advantage of and or manipulate those with a more lsignificant level of autism. That actually hsd to be policed and even a certain amount of segregation was needed in the schools I attended.

But I agree it's probably more prevalent among NT's. Then again NT's are far more prevalent population wise than autistics.



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21 Dec 2018, 3:11 pm

EzraS wrote:
So a lot of times I see certain bad human nature characteristics applied to neurotypicals that autistics are supposed to be devoid of. But I know from so much personal experience that is often not the case.

Based on my extensive observation, autistics are just as diverse as neurotypicals when it comes to human nature.

Like was said:
DystopianShadows wrote:
Everyone, regardless of if they're autistic or not, has good and evil in them.


But Autistics are less likely to have "bad human nature characteristics" than NTwits

Rodland wrote:
My impression is that people who are slightly autists might often be more suitable for manipulating others that people on average because slight autism does not often decrease abilities for manipulation but may imply considerable additional emotional distance towards other people.

Autistics have to feel the emotions others are feeling to recognize how they are feeling so they don't want to knowly do something that they know will cause someone suffering.

Case in point Hilter who had Aspergers. He viewed Jews as cosmic evil yet he viewed not being able to rid them of judaism as he biggest failure as fuhrer. People hear "The final solution" and think that it means the solution that that will solve the jewish problem for good. when it actually was referring to was that they tired everything else and it was the last solution left.

I can't imagine a NTwit being able to to view someone as Cosmic evil and still have Emotional Empathy for them.


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21 Dec 2018, 4:02 pm

DystopianShadows wrote:
Everyone, regardless of if they're autistic or not, has good and evil in them.


Do babies have evil in them?


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21 Dec 2018, 6:33 pm

"Well, I can give the single unifying framework of all ethics and morality ever practiced by humanity. "Do right by all people, except those people. Because f**k those guys." All that varies is who gets listed as those people, and how they are selected."
--Kremlin KOA


Sikhi teachers that even the 'evil' deserves to be done right by.
"If you contemplate this truth often, you will offer more light than blame and condemnation"
"Blame v. : assign responsibility for a fault or wrong."
True but the more you contemplate why they have those delusions the more you realize the beliefs that you should offer blame on the altar of righteousness and Condemn people is part of those delusions

Indifference always helps the oppressor, not the victim. If you ignore the chain of causation and say the fault was a prime mover then you can do nothing to prevent it in the future.

When you realize Evil is not a noun but a verb you can recognize things as evil without condemning them and You can believe that they are not truly 'evil' while they are being led by delusions into thinking that the intention isn't to cause suffer but that it's a unfortunate side effect, but when the delusions stops and they continue on the same path you have to face the fact that they truly intended to cause suffering.

You can say that if someones sees a runaway trolley moving towards what he thinks are five tied-up people lying on the tracks and runs to a lever and pulls it, redirecting the trolley onto a side track so that the five people on the main track will be saved; However, there is a single person lying on the side track that gets killed then he isn't really a murderer. But when he has realized that the Five people aren't real and he pulls the lever anyways its harder to say, "Well when he decided to pull the switch he thought he was doing good, the fact that he continued though with it after he realized it was murder doesn't matter, but it's cold blooded murder and he knowingly committed it."


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21 Dec 2018, 6:36 pm

MikeRelief wrote:
DystopianShadows wrote:
Everyone, regardless of if they're autistic or not, has good and evil in them.


Do babies have evil in them?

Who else has the malice to rip a woman's vagina to shreds?



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21 Dec 2018, 6:48 pm

MikeRelief wrote:
DystopianShadows wrote:
Everyone, regardless of if they're autistic or not, has good and evil in them.


Do babies have evil in them?

Do pine cones have trees in them?


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