Having little to nothing in common with neurotypicals

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26 Dec 2018, 8:31 pm

I often feel that I have little, if anything, in common with neurotypicals, and even if I do, it does not manifest in me the same way it does in them. Does anyone else ever feel this way?



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26 Dec 2018, 8:52 pm

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26 Dec 2018, 9:01 pm

Kind of, but it's complicated. I don't feel aloof from NTs as such, but in practice a lot of them seem to follow each other's behavioural tendencies and I tend to find those tendencies are pretty much alien to mine. So I often feel a lot more sympathy with outliers and naysayers. For example, practically everybody watches live television, but I find it hard to even be in a room where a live TV set is on. I prefer to call the ones I have little in common with "mainstreamers" rather than NTs, because I don't think having a neurotypical brain is necessarily a bar to being an individual with independent ideas and interests. Indeed, I've admired some people who I reckon must have been NTs, and without such a brain I can't see how they could have been so switched on to how others were feeling. One example was a guy who was talking to a couple of people, and when I joined the group he immediately began to include me in the "rota" of eye contact he was doing, which made me feel accepted. For me, it's not a person's brain wiring that's so important, so much as what they choose to do with it.



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27 Dec 2018, 12:55 am

I think I have 'layers' for this.


At the very surface where preferences of likes and dislikes, things to do with upbringing goes -- a some NTs had in common with me. Things we agreed to each other, things we could just share at times or so.

A level or so deeper, yeah, some NTs have in common with me, personality wise. But it could be just me being more or less 'formless' so to speak. This level varies on my mood though.

Go a bit deeper, where one's humanity and experiences are taken account, then some DO relate to me in a sense that some NTs understand. This changes with time however.
My teenage self in my worst years would very likely relate to NTs who suffers or intolerates things.
The me now would less likely cry with or agree with any NT who likely been through I've been through.

Going a bit deeper than that, then I have next to nothing in common with any NTs at all, no matter how anything else is in common or even agreed with me.


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27 Dec 2018, 3:25 am

i feel that way concerning most everyone, including aspies.



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27 Dec 2018, 5:36 am

I only feel that way about drinking and partying. I just cannot see the thrill of getting really drunk. So whenever people start talking about when they last got really drunk, I just sit there like an alien.

But I can relate to neurotypicals on most other things.


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27 Dec 2018, 8:17 am

Mapofsteel wrote:
I often feel that I have little, if anything, in common with neurotypicals, and even if I do, it does not manifest in me the same way it does in them. Does anyone else ever feel this way?


Absolutely. I was recently diagnosed in my mid 30s and it's kind of funny now to think about certain people I've been around over the years that I have been particularly uncomfortable around. I'm now realizing that they all have one thing in common: very neurotypical and sociable in a way I find overwhelming. Some of them I feel like have x-ray vision into my soul and I always felt inept and socially dysfunctional around them.

And yeah, I still don't know much of anyone that I have much in common with. I've had some non-close friends over the year but they generally tend to be the quirky types. In retrospect probably some are on the spectrum, and it would be interesting to know if any had ever been diagnosed.



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27 Dec 2018, 9:50 am

Joe90,

I am just like you. I never saw drinking and partying as entertainment. My social connections are related to my interests. I like being around intelligent people I can learn from and around kind hearted people. I don't like superficial people who talk about the latest pop culture icon.



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27 Dec 2018, 10:22 am

Mapofsteel wrote:
I often feel that I have little, if anything, in common with neurotypicals, and even if I do, it does not manifest in me the same way it does in them. Does anyone else ever feel this way?


Agreed entirely.



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27 Dec 2018, 10:24 am

I feel I have nothing in common with most NTs (or NDs, for that matter), and a large part of me is glad.



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27 Dec 2018, 11:22 am

I have a lot in common with some people and very little in common with others. Whether people are NT or not doesn't determine which group people fall into. The people I spend most time with all happen to be NTs. They are all highly intelligent and are very kind and generous people. None of them fit the drinking, partying, superficial, celebrity-culture-loving, stereotypes.


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27 Dec 2018, 12:46 pm

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Mapofsteel wrote:
I often feel that I have little, if anything, in common with neurotypicals, and even if I do, it does not manifest in me the same way it does in them. Does anyone else ever feel this way?


Agreed entirely.


Wanted to (try) to elaborate.

Most people, typical of this forum, are making statements about their own situation. Typical and short-sighted stock answers will include things like:
-- people are people, NT or AS
-- I don't have anything in common with NTs or Aspies
-- It varies, some NTs I like and some Aspies I like, and the other way around, too. It's not about neurotype...

But none of these people are addressing your statement directly. I agree, OP, I think NTs experience the world fundamentally differently than we do. Not just talking about experience, but overall perception. It's hard to describe, and it's the blind leading the blind as I'm in no position to know how NTs think. But in their shoes, if we could inhabit an NT's mind for a day, I think we'd be amazed just HOW different the way they perceive things is. For better or worse.

I think many Aspies here haven't taken that next step. They focus on themselves and their social shortcomings and question behaviors of NTs. None address this point you made, but I'm with you. I think the NT PERCEPTION of reality is alien to our own. Not just behavior, or social response, etc. Overall perception. I wish I could elaborate and articulate it better, but I hear you OP. And I think many of us are too clueless (or afraid) to recognized just HOW different they experience things vs. the way we do.



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28 Dec 2018, 12:51 pm

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
....I think NTs experience the world fundamentally differently than we do. Not just talking about experience, but overall perception.....


I have always felt that my perception of the world is different to most of the people I have ever met. However, that does not mean that I cannot have anything in common with people who have a different perception of the world to me. The people whose company I enjoy the most share my interests. They may perceive things differently to me but we still have a lot of common ground. I would rather spend my time with such people than with those who share my perception of the world but not my interests.


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29 Dec 2018, 1:28 pm

Sandpiper wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
....I think NTs experience the world fundamentally differently than we do. Not just talking about experience, but overall perception.....


I have always felt that my perception of the world is different to most of the people I have ever met. However, that does not mean that I cannot have anything in common with people who have a different perception of the world to me. The people whose company I enjoy the most share my interests. They may perceive things differently to me but we still have a lot of common ground. I would rather spend my time with such people than with those who share my perception of the world but not my interests.


Sandpiper, I think you missed the point. NTs are a varied lot, yes. Some you'll like and connect with better than others, yes. Regardless, they all experience life in a way we can't comprehend.

Like if a blind person said, "I like some people with sight better than others with sight..." The blind man still doesn't know what it means to be able to SEE. Regardless of how much you like or dislike an NT, they all have a PERCEPTION we don't. Can't describe it any better, just like a blind man can't comprehend the color blue.

The blind man may "get along" with a sighted person better than another blind person...regardless, the two blind men don't know what having VISION means.



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29 Dec 2018, 1:55 pm

I think we'll have to agree to disagree about that. Whilst I agree that the way NTs experience the world seems to be different to my own experience, that does not mean that I cannot comprehend it. I am fully capable of comprehending things that I don't personally experience. It just requires an open mind, spending time with people who are different to oneself, and listening to what they have to say. The NT people that I spend time with are as interested in trying to understanding my way of experiencing the world as I am in theirs.


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29 Dec 2018, 2:12 pm

Sandpiper wrote:
I think we'll have to agree to disagree about that. Whilst I agree that the way NTs experience the world seems to be different to my own experience, that does not mean that I cannot comprehend it. I am fully capable of comprehending things that I don't personally experience. It just requires an open mind, spending time with people who are different to oneself, and listening to what they have to say. The NT people that I spend time with are as interested in trying to understanding my way of experiencing the world as I am in theirs.


Uh-huh. Sounds like denial.

A blind man can spend every day of his life with sighted people, but he'll never know what it truly means to be able to SEE.

I commend you for trying to comprehend NTs, and the ones who try to understand you are admirable. But I think you're too impaired to know what this PERCEPTIVE difference is in the first place. They can't explain it to us. (Just like we can't explain the color blue to a man who has been blind all of his life). There's no frame of reference, and I don't think you or I will ever comprehend the neurotypical experience that most people just have naturally. It can't be explained. It just IS for most people. We're impaired. (Just like most people have the ability to see: you and I, for instance, as we're both viewing this webpage. A small minority are blind and will never experience eyesight. We're a minority who will never know just what it is we're missing.)