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Assuming my outbrusts of tears "for no reason" were meltdowns - I have spent decades learning to avoid triggers. I actually suppressed them, too... it uses a lot of mental power to self control to that point and after I succesfully mastered not melting down, I destroyed my own mental health as a cost of this "success". But avoiding triggers is good, I've learned I always can go to a bathroom, so I used this excuse even to leave a lecture that overwhelmed me at uni.
But back to your question: when I had meltdowns, I couldn't see them coming. When I supressed them... I got insane, my brain played horrible tricks on me. Yeah, going insane and back again is an interesting journey. Now I'm slowly learning to recognize discomforts that led me to all these and acknowledge them - know how much noise and havoc I can bear, how much I need to rest after it to regain balance.
There was no special time after a meltdown to go back to normality, just need for rest after what triggered the meltdown.
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I don't know I'm going to have a meltdown till I get triggered/pushed too hard. Then I snap. It's over 1ce me & the person who triggered it stop yelling at each other & we may stop yelling cuz I stormed off.
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But back to your question: when I had meltdowns, I couldn't see them coming. When I supressed them... I got insane, my brain played horrible tricks on me. Yeah, going insane and back again is an interesting journey. Now I'm slowly learning to recognize discomforts that led me to all these and acknowledge them - know how much noise and havoc I can bear, how much I need to rest after it to regain balance.
There was no special time after a meltdown to go back to normality, just need for rest after what triggered the meltdown.
Could you say something more about the effects of suppressing meltdowns? I'm wondering about that. I've started pushing through shutdowns, but I am not entirely certain it's a good idea. It's good to be able to get away from a bad situation, but other than that I worry that it may be harmful.
For the OP, I have no idea either for shutdowns or crying meltdowns. I only have angry meltdowns when it's really hot. The recovery period can be from an hour up to 24 hours or so. It depends.
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I sometimes leave conversations and return after a long time. I am sorry about it, but I need a lot of time to think about it when I am not sure how I feel.
Which part do you want to know? It's about building a barrier between yourself and your emotions. Cutting yourself off them. Playing a role all the time not listening to what you feel.
As for the effects - I didn't know who I was anymore. Just felt anxiety, fear, my English is too poor to describe it, but it was enormous. Did not recognize myself in a mirror. Just wanted to die to end it. But my face had a convenient, nice expression and my voice and body language was perfectly normal. I didn't know what I felt, I knew there was a lot but had no idea a lot of what.
Got misdiagnosed with schizophrenia, which I often mention on this site. They put me on heavy and totally wrong medication which only made it worse and I was dumped as a loony.
I was lucky to escape this with a lot of help from a psych who really listened to me - unlike the others who made the diagnosis and couldn't admit they were wrong.
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Which part do you want to know? It's about building a barrier between yourself and your emotions. Cutting yourself off them. Playing a role all the time not listening to what you feel.
As for the effects - I didn't know who I was anymore. Just felt anxiety, fear, my English is too poor to describe it, but it was enormous. Did not recognize myself in a mirror. Just wanted to die to end it. But my face had a convenient, nice expression and my voice and body language was perfectly normal. I didn't know what I felt, I knew there was a lot but had no idea a lot of what.
Got misdiagnosed with schizophrenia, which I often mention on this site. They put me on heavy and totally wrong medication which only made it worse and I was dumped as a loony.
I was lucky to escape this with a lot of help from a psych who really listened to me - unlike the others who made the diagnosis and couldn't admit they were wrong.
I've been having something similar - though not as bad. Extreme anxiety plus losing contact with my body. It's as if I'm outside myself and I am doing and saying all these things without having any idea how or why. Looking perfectly normal, but I'll say almost anything to survive the situation, never mind if it's appropriate.
I still recognise myself, so I don't think it's gotten as bad as what you had. I recently got out of a very stressful life situation, so I seem to be recovering, but I'm struggling with memory and EF issues. Does any of this seem familiar to you?
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I sometimes leave conversations and return after a long time. I am sorry about it, but I need a lot of time to think about it when I am not sure how I feel.
A meltdown for me happens in response to situations that are random, spontaneous and occur without warning but which force me to make instant decisions in a time of crisis. My brain simply doesn't work that way, "short circuits" in a sense and causes a meltdown.
A good example of this would be some years ago when my wife was out of the house running errands and I was alone with the kids (stressful in and of itself). After some time, I heard a faint noise that sounded like running water and I discovered that the toilet in the "kids's bathroom" was plugged and was overflowing constantly. The entire bathroom floor was flooded with standing water of 2-3 inches and the water had overflowed out of the bathroom, into the hallway and into two adjacent bedrooms; the hallway and bedrooms have wood and wood "laminate" floors respectively. It was a crisis. I was forced to try to think clearly and calmly. I failed. Instead, I was in a mixture of panic and fury. I screamed orders to the kids to immediately gather all towels they could find. I swore and banged my fists on the wall in full on blind rage. I called my wife and in only a few words told her I needed her to come home immediately. It was a full meltdown. It took until the next day to calm down. The floors did sustain permanent damage.
I can tell when I'm getting really upset. Usually I try to leave the conversation. Looking away from the other person's face helps me a lot. If I can't leave, sometimes I do this technique called EMDR that a counselor taught me where you shift your eyes right and left between two objects (or sometimes I can just put my hands in my lap and tap my forefinger to my thumb alternately between my right and left hand). The therapy is mostly targeted at PTSD attacks, but I find that it usually works pretty much whenever I'm getting upset.
If I do go into a full-on crying, shrieking and swearing meltdown, it usually takes at least a couple of days or longer to fully calm my body down and stop thinking obsessively about whatever it was that upset me.
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I still recognise myself, so I don't think it's gotten as bad as what you had. I recently got out of a very stressful life situation, so I seem to be recovering, but I'm struggling with memory and EF issues. Does any of this seem familiar to you?
Yes, my psych - the one who did help me - called them depression episodes. Yes, very poor memory is a part of it. I have years of my life I remember very little of, including final years at Uni - I didn't remember finishing the courses!
My EF wasn't very affected, maybe because I've always been kind of accepted as absent minded, so being a bit more like that did not draw any attention.
My psych gives me antidepressants but my expirience is that what really helps is rest and caring for myself. And I'm doing lots of work with my therapist to understand how my mind operates... a lot of her job is validating my emotions so I know I'm uncomfortable and see the source of my discomfort before I dramatically fall apart.
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As magz noted, I find rest and caring for myself the best way to deal with stresses that could result in a meltdown or shutdown, and to recover from same. I have also found it important to trust my analysis of people and situations and not insist that others see it my way in order for it to be true. Now that I think about it, many of my meltdowns in the past were due to the latter.
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Depending on the intensity, the lead-up could be a few minutes to a few weeks. I mostly don't know it's coming. Similar to a storm, I get unusually quiet. The aftermath usually consists of days of brooding over my "mistake" and has often involved at least one broken friendship and one lost job.
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Does someone want to explain the difference between meltdowns and shutdowns for me? I honestly am not sure if Ive experienced either one. Are they like a child's temper tantrum? I did that a lot when I was, well...a child. Drove my family nuts that I would "explode" over the littlest things (specially since I did that up through middle school before I learned my lesson) But I dont think Ive had an outburst like that for a while. My mom said I grew out of it (but my mom also thinks I grew out of having Aspergers in general and Im pretty sure thats not how it works...)
Anyway, just curious cause people on here tend to mention both a lot, but the symptoms are either vague or varied.
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