How do you cope with the intolerance and misunderstanding?

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25 Apr 2019, 8:56 am

I have high functioning aspergers. I do really well for the most part. I'm in college and make good grades, and I have decent social skills.
However, sometimes simple things are a challenge for me. I have poor fine motor skills and suck at doing anything with my hands. And people just dont understand it. For example, the other day I was struggling to unfold a table and my boss said, "I guess that table was designed by Chinese Phd students." That is the way it always is. When my aspergers causes problems, people are condescending and treat me like crap. It hurts my self esteem and makes me feel like a failure.

I imagine a lot of autists get treated this way. How do some of you cope with it? It is a terrible feeling.



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25 Apr 2019, 9:01 am

Where was the insult to you?

The way I read your post, the insult was directed toward "Chinese PhD Students"; and unless you're one of those, I just don't see how you are entitled to take personal offense.


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25 Apr 2019, 9:08 am

I believe the employer person was saying to the OP that "this isn't rocket science," that he should be able to unfold a table easily. Sometimes, in truth, it's not so easy.

My wife does the same thing. She expects me to be able to do "simple" things, and she gets upset when I have trouble with these "things."

I can identify with the WP in this instance. It can get irritating at times when people don't think beyond the box.



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25 Apr 2019, 9:21 am

Fnord wrote:
Where was the insult to you?

The way I read your post, the insult was directed toward "Chinese PhD Students"; and unless you're one of those, I just don't see how you are entitled to take personal offense.


He was making fun of the fact that I couldn't do a task that is simple for most people, so he quipped that the table must have been designed by geniuses. His tone toward me was very condescending.



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25 Apr 2019, 9:26 am

alien91 wrote:
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Where was the insult to you? The way I read your post, the insult was directed toward "Chinese PhD Students"; and unless you're one of those, I just don't see how you are entitled to take personal offense.
He was making fun of the fact that I couldn't do a task that is simple for most people, so he quipped that the table must have been designed by geniuses. His tone toward me was very condescending.
So you are reacting to the tone of his voice.

Did it ever occur to you that he might have been trying to help you feel better about the situation you were in?


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25 Apr 2019, 9:28 am

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Where was the insult to you? The way I read your post, the insult was directed toward "Chinese PhD Students"; and unless you're one of those, I just don't see how you are entitled to take personal offense.
He was making fun of the fact that I couldn't do a task that is simple for most people, so he quipped that the table must have been designed by geniuses. His tone toward me was very condescending.
So you are reacting to the tone of his voice.

Did it ever occur to you that he might have been trying to help you feel better about the situation you were in?

Now, it is obvious you are being a troll.



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25 Apr 2019, 9:35 am

The employer person should just have shown you how to unfold the table, rather than act in that condescending manner. That's what I would have done.

Please don't put the weight of the world on yourself because of some condescending idiot.

Intolerance and misunderstanding, alas, is part and parcel of the world for both autistic people and neurotypicals.

Over the years, I was subjected to what you've been subjected to. I have learned to just slough these things off, and think about what's important in life.

In other words: In order to survive in this world, one has to develop a pretty "thick skin."



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25 Apr 2019, 9:38 am

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Where was the insult to you? The way I read your post, the insult was directed toward "Chinese PhD Students"; and unless you're one of those, I just don't see how you are entitled to take personal offense.
He was making fun of the fact that I couldn't do a task that is simple for most people, so he quipped that the table must have been designed by geniuses. His tone toward me was very condescending.
So you are reacting to the tone of his voice. Did it ever occur to you that he might have been trying to help you feel better about the situation you were in?
Now, it is obvious you are being a troll.
No, I'm just trying to help you consider another point of view.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a troll, you know...


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25 Apr 2019, 9:41 am

Fnord wrote:
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Fnord wrote:
alien91 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Where was the insult to you? The way I read your post, the insult was directed toward "Chinese PhD Students"; and unless you're one of those, I just don't see how you are entitled to take personal offense.
He was making fun of the fact that I couldn't do a task that is simple for most people, so he quipped that the table must have been designed by geniuses. His tone toward me was very condescending.
So you are reacting to the tone of his voice. Did it ever occur to you that he might have been trying to help you feel better about the situation you were in?
Now, it is obvious you are being a troll.
No, I'm just trying to help you consider another point of view.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a troll, you know...

I'm not saying you are a troll because you disagree. I am calling you a troll because you are being deliberately obtuse. This is the last response to you.



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25 Apr 2019, 9:42 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
The employer person should just have shown you how to unfold the table, rather than act in that condescending manner. That's what I would have done.

Please don't put the weight of the world on yourself because of some condescending idiot.

Intolerance and misunderstanding, alas, is part and parcel of the world for both autistic people and neurotypicals.

Over the years, I was subjected to what you've been subjected to. I have learned to just slough these things off, and think about what's important in life.

In other words: In order to survive in this world, one has to develop a pretty "thick skin."

I usually do, but it gets pretty dang annoying.



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25 Apr 2019, 9:56 am

It gets pretty dang annoying for me, too.



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25 Apr 2019, 10:21 am

alien91 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
alien91 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
alien91 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Where was the insult to you? The way I read your post, the insult was directed toward "Chinese PhD Students"; and unless you're one of those, I just don't see how you are entitled to take personal offense.
He was making fun of the fact that I couldn't do a task that is simple for most people, so he quipped that the table must have been designed by geniuses. His tone toward me was very condescending.
So you are reacting to the tone of his voice. Did it ever occur to you that he might have been trying to help you feel better about the situation you were in?
Now, it is obvious you are being a troll.
No, I'm just trying to help you consider another point of view.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a troll, you know...

I'm not saying you are a troll because you disagree. I am calling you a troll because you are being deliberately obtuse. This is the last response to you.

That's unfair and highly disrespectful. I also did not see the obvious insult to you, and I am far from deliberately obtuse. One thing you need to learn and accept ... people with autism frequently mis-perceive the tone and intention of a speaker. I think you may have done that with your employer, and I think you definitely are doing that toward Fnord.


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25 Apr 2019, 10:35 am

alien91 wrote:
I have high functioning aspergers. I do really well for the most part. I'm in college and make good grades, and I have decent social skills.
However, sometimes simple things are a challenge for me. I have poor fine motor skills and suck at doing anything with my hands. And people just dont understand it. For example, the other day I was struggling to unfold a table and my boss said, "I guess that table was designed by Chinese Phd students." That is the way it always is. When my aspergers causes problems, people are condescending and treat me like crap. It hurts my self esteem and makes me feel like a failure.

I imagine a lot of autists get treated this way. How do some of you cope with it? It is a terrible feeling.

I would interpret it as a clumsy attempt of a joke.
Even if the original intention was different, it would be quite a safe assumption to act on.
I have incredibly shaky hands, I often drop things and I learned to laugh at it long ago. It makes my life easier, it makes others more willing to accept my limitations as simply facts.


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25 Apr 2019, 10:38 am

I have lots of experience with this sort of thing. I would say there's at least a 99% possibility that the employer was saying, in essence, "this isn't rocket science." That it shouldn't be difficult for the OP to unfold the table. I feel like the employer was expressing irritation by making a snide remark, saying, in essence, "it's not like the table was designed by Chinese PhD students."

People who have good mechanical aptitude frequently do not understand that others don't have the same aptitude. They get irritated with other people finding things difficult when they, themselves, find these things easy.



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25 Apr 2019, 11:09 am

The OP assigned his struggle to "poor fine motor skills" - in this context, I would suspect "Chinese grad students" to be an allusion to stereotypical small and skillful hands of the Chinese.


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25 Apr 2019, 11:17 am

I guess it would have been nice to have known the specific context.

But I sense condescension on the part of the employer, based upon similar experiences with my life.

There used to be an advert for Castro Convertible couches which stated that it was so easy to convert the couch to a bed—that “even a 4-year-old could do it.”

The table was not designed by “Chinese grad students”; hence, anybody could figure out how to unfold this table.