Trump "Autism. Full blown autism." Thoughts?

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27 Nov 2017, 4:06 pm

I just read a HuffPost Politics article about Donald Trump referring to Elizabeth Warren as "Pocahontas," at a ceremony intended to honour Native American veterans - namely Navajo Code Talkers - and one of the commenters on the Facebook post wrote "Autism. Full blown autism."

I've read a few speculations in the past that Barron Trump is on the spectrum (he's out of public view, so who knows ? IMO) but the more I see his father's social blunders make daily headlines the more I think it might not just be Narcissism & Dementia, but could very well be ASD.

I remember some thread debates about whether Obama was an Aspie, but his social missteps were few and far between in comparison and IIRC it was more about the prosody of his speech, memory recall, encyclopedic knowledge of various topics etc but with Trump it's definitely more about his very public social blunders.

The commenter who wrote "Autism. Full blown autism." followed up with a post saying "Yeah. Autism has a strong hereditary component - Barron may have inherited it from dad. ..I just keep seeing the many social and reactive blunders he makes, the lack of integrated/nuanced thoughts, the preference for routine, the binary thinking, how quickly he is overwhelmed by the load of information coming at him, and I keep seeing autism."


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27 Nov 2017, 4:18 pm

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27 Nov 2017, 4:57 pm

Who knows? You would have to sit him down in front of a specialist, and have him take the battery of tests.

Trump does have a certain aspie like tunnel vision. When he should talk about the nation's interests he runs his mouth about his own personal business interests.

Many who have known him even decades ago, including the real author of "the Art of the Deal", testified to his total absence of any attention span for even subjects he is interested in (long ago so it cant be due to recent onset old age dementia). So naturally ADD, or ADHD, springs to mind.

And actually ADHD is not uncommon among entrepreneurs. The guy who founded Virgin Records is ADHD and an entrepreneur (and who came up from humbler beginnings than did Trump). He also goes in for thrill seeking activities like ballooning. Trump is not into that though. Just tame stuff like golf.

Don't know why Barron is thought to be aspie. He gets bored at his Dad's speeches, and he has a fidget spinner, but both of those are true of zillions of NT adult and kids his age alike.

Not much evidence to go on one way or the other.



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27 Nov 2017, 5:02 pm

He's something, but I don't think he's autistic. A man that age and in that position of power has more than enough people to drive home the point that what he's saying is often confrontational and offensive. It's not that he doesn't get it imo. I feel like those who genuinely don't understand social norms and blunders are more likely to be curious or even apologetic (because harm or offense was not their intention) when they realize how their words and actions are being interpreted by others, but Trump is one unceasing trainwreck.



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27 Nov 2017, 5:06 pm

^^That guy is Richard Branson. I met him several years ago at the kiteboarding beach in Squamish when he was here to launch his Virgin Mobile cell phone company. He is one amazing human being! 8)

I think the Barron Trump assumptions stem from some observed behaviours, as well as the Trump's keeping him from public eye, and also from Donald's long track record on linking vaccines and Autism. I think people make the correlation from the last point as it would explain his preoccupation with the subject if his son were afflicted.


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27 Nov 2017, 5:09 pm

Canary wrote:
He's something, but I don't think he's autistic. A man that age and in that position of power has more than enough people to drive home the point that what he's saying is often confrontational and offensive. It's not that he doesn't get it imo. I feel like those who genuinely don't understand social norms and blunders are more likely to be curious or even apologetic (because harm or offense was not their intention) when they realize how their words and actions are being interpreted by others, but Trump is one unceasing trainwreck.



In general, I'd agree with you.. but you've got to also remember that being extremely arrogant, narcissistic, & having a self-view that you're some sort of God-like being who ought to be praised for merely existing is ALSO a potential Aspie trait vs. the typical timid shy type. It's just not very common.


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27 Nov 2017, 5:11 pm

What Canary said.

"Richard Branson".

Thanx. that's the guy.

Yeah I'm a fan of Branson too. :)



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27 Nov 2017, 7:15 pm

Introversion and shyness are not autistic traits but they often result from repeated social disasters. So that he is an extrovert does not mean he is not autistic. Of course having no filter is an autistic trait and his obsession with certain people who he feels are in his way can be read as repetitive behavior.

Trump has shown the good ability to "read" people on an individual level and groups. He read the American voter better then practically all of the experts. A core autistic trait is impaired ability in that area. This is pretty significant evidence that he is not autistic. And unlike Bill Gates who is often speculated to be autistic his successes have been created by himself. What people forget about Microsoft that it was not Bill Gates alone but the team of Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer that built Microsoft. Gates the "geek" , Ballmer the gifted salesman.

Leave Barron the f**k out of it, he is 11 years and in a tough situation not of his own creation. The last thing he needed was people speculating he is autistic which unfortunately is used as a slur these days.


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27 Nov 2017, 7:55 pm

I doubt very much that Trump is autistic. He certainly doesn't have "full-blown autism." If he had "full-blown autism," you would KNOW he is autistic beyond a shadow of the doubt. We wouldn't be speculating about his autism.

He is probably something of a narcissist. And he might have such a high opinion of himself that he prefers to hang out with himself.

Who knows, though....maybe he is within the "Broad Autism Phenotype"---but that's as close to being "autistic" as he will ever be.

Other Presidents have sought to keep their children out of the public eye. I have no idea whether Barron Trump is autistic or not. I do know that he's quite tall for his age.



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27 Nov 2017, 8:16 pm

A friend of mine was convinced that Trump is illiterate. Something about the way he forms sentences.



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27 Nov 2017, 8:17 pm

He talks like a typical New Yorker. He doesn't really know how to "code switch."



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27 Nov 2017, 8:28 pm

The person who made that remark is clearly nothing but a troll who believes anyone who acts the slightest bit cringe-inducing is autistic.

It's official, the US has gone to a certain very warm place in a hand basket. Tell Satan I said hi. :evil:



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27 Nov 2017, 9:21 pm

I think those who make assessments like that, don't really understand what autism is. Whether diagnosing themselves or others. Full blown autism is what I have and it's severely debilitating. It goes well beyond being socially awkward.



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27 Nov 2017, 9:31 pm

He can be a bit of a buttface...but that doesn't make him autistic. He just says whatever.



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27 Nov 2017, 10:38 pm

The trouble with that theory is that most (not all, but most) of us HATE that we hurt people without meaning to and will bend over backwards, even sacrifice our own well-being, to prevent it. Donald Trump seems to revel in it. Plus, it's unlikely that he would have been so materially successful if he didn't have full control of his attitude.

I seriously doubt he's autistic. What he is, is a locker-room back-slapper. A nasty high-school bully, who rose to the top at a time when that was still not just an acceptable thing to be but the peak of the social pyramid, the ultimate winner, put there by other people who learned to operate in that environment, even though it stopped being cool, or even really OK, around 2000 or so. My generation was THE LAST ONE to grow up with the idolatry of that guy.

And YEAH-- Hillary plays by the same set of rules. He's the high-school bully; she's the mean girl who always manages to make it sound innocent. Your best interests are just what she's using to get elected Prom Queen. If she'd gotten there, she would have forgotten all about you, and spit in your face. The Presidency isn't a service with these people. It's an achievement, the ultimate feather in their caps (as my grandmother used to say). They're there to serve themselves and their friends. They don't give a damn about you, or me, or anyone down here on Plebe Street. We're cattle. Pick the one that will feed us and bring the vet around until butchering day arrives, or the one that will let us go feral and take our chances with the vagaries of nature in the hope that we'll be that 1 in 1,000 that slips both disease and the butcher and lives to be a wily old feral cow...


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28 Nov 2017, 4:38 am

What is it with American presidents and being on the spectrum?


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