Why do some NTs rely on feelings so much?
So, I watched some Youtube videos about job interviews, and about what you should wear or not wear to an interview.
And the video explains clothing choices like this:
Red- People would feel that you are passionate.
Blue- People would feel that you are honest, it is therefore better to dress in blue for interviews than red.
Black- People would feel that you are sincere, it is therefore also a good color to wear to interviews.
So I'm like, what?
I don't understand this at all. Why do people feel it that way?
I believe It's based on a scientific study on how colors subconsciously affect emotions. Like for instance if you put someone in a room that's painted entirely red their pulse rate will increase. Whereas if the room is pale blue or green or blue-green thay will feel very calm. And I believe they painted psychiatric wards those colors to keep the patients calm.
As for NTs go how do you know those with autism aren't affected the same way subconsciously?
And the video explains clothing choices like this:
Red- People would feel that you are passionate.
Blue- People would feel that you are honest, it is therefore better to dress in blue for interviews than red.
Black- People would feel that you are sincere, it is therefore also a good color to wear to interviews.
So I'm like, what?
I don't understand this at all. Why do people feel it that way?
People associate colors with their feelings in environments which have this colors and with the different things which are of this colors. It's just the way that the humes brain works. It recognizes attributes of the things first and because of this attributes it recognizes the things. Because of this different things that share specific attributes get in your mind once you recognize this attributes. And for this the brain associates different things who share commen attributes towards each other. That's all. Knowing this we can start with the colors.
People do blue associate to cool environment without any warmth and the clear open sky. Red and warm colors are associated to the sun, fire and a warm environment. Back is associated with darkness, the night, clerical people and anything that is related to death. Autistic people who aren't very emotional seem NTs to be emotional very very cold. Because of this it's the best for those of us to wear reddish and warm colors to compensate this impression of us a little bit.
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Here is the deal.
Our brains evolved over millions of years to process information and make snap decisions in largely life or death situations. This has been true for all of animal (let alone human) history until maybe 500-200 years ago!
Most of what happens in the brain is subconscious, and most animals except for mammals don't really even have a conscious mind. Maybe some types of birds do, such as crows. But all insects (which account for almost all variation in animal life on earth), reptiles, amphibians, etc are more or less meat-based robots.
What emotions really are, are a type of instinct. Most people's brains take in a TON of sensory data all of the time. What colors are coming at me? What is the temperature? Are there other people around? What do they look like? Do they seem friendly, aggressive, indifferent? Are they lying to me? What is the tone of their voice? How much eye contact are they making?
All of this is happening automatically and subconsciously. Over the millennia, brains have also evolved to automatically draw certain conclusions from this passively-received data. Our ancestors (from all species, not just humans) were often able to survive, avoid dangerous situations, and gauge their interactions with other animals based on these instincts being correct or not. The ones whose 'instincts/emotions' were right, survived, and passed those abilities further on down the line.
These instincts are directly tied to the instincts to survive and reproduce, which are our primary biological imperatives. As such, the compulsion to listen to these instincts is extremely strong.
I think in modern times, we have civilization and are very unlikely to come across a predator animal, or a rival tribe of humans that want to kill us. These instincts/emotions aren't as applicable, as in many ways we are no longer in the same environment that made them beneficial. Now in many cases, these instincts, such as being wary of people who look and sound different from us (because most of the time in the past, this could likely become a deadly encounter) now manifest in awful things like racism (for example).
I hypothesize (in an extremely speculative way this is just an idea!) that ASD people struggle with the automatic perception of and processing of this passive sensory data, and this causes most of the social problems ASD people have.
White shirt, good quality tie and a jacket, a hat=Standard Male Uniform from 50-100 years ago. People will assume...you do a lot of laundry.
(not sure what The Fair would wear. Ladies, you have so many more options than men!)
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People have observed the difference between thinking and feeling before (Spock and McCoy).
If the neurological variation that produces Aspergers is a result of higher complexity / speed / intensity, the result is a greater intentional mental processing (manual vs, automatic). Sometimes to the point of being overwhelming.
Those who do not have this abundance of intentional processing, often respond to their environment more reflexively. They may have grown to rely on "gut feelings", intuition, and hunches. These may actually serve them rather well, but they may not be fully able to articulate the reasons for their conclusions.
By selecting the "right" shirt color for a job interview, one is basically learning to communicate via a pathway many NTs rely on to receive information.
For example, many Asperger people (especially younger Aspies) select their wardrobe based on how it feels or other criteria and would not be too concerned about how others dressed. They are often unaware of how much information comes to an NT from their environment and that their clothing choices can be unsettling to someone who has expectations of the conventional, familiar, and comfortable.
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Our brains evolved over millions of years to process information and make snap decisions in largely life or death situations. This has been true for all of animal (let alone human) history until maybe 500-200 years ago!
Most of what happens in the brain is subconscious, and most animals except for mammals don't really even have a conscious mind. Maybe some types of birds do, such as crows. But all insects (which account for almost all variation in animal life on earth), reptiles, amphibians, etc are more or less meat-based robots.
What emotions really are, are a type of instinct. Most people's brains take in a TON of sensory data all of the time. What colors are coming at me? What is the temperature? Are there other people around? What do they look like? Do they seem friendly, aggressive, indifferent? Are they lying to me? What is the tone of their voice? How much eye contact are they making?
All of this is happening automatically and subconsciously. Over the millennia, brains have also evolved to automatically draw certain conclusions from this passively-received data. Our ancestors (from all species, not just humans) were often able to survive, avoid dangerous situations, and gauge their interactions with other animals based on these instincts being correct or not. The ones whose 'instincts/emotions' were right, survived, and passed those abilities further on down the line.
These instincts are directly tied to the instincts to survive and reproduce, which are our primary biological imperatives. As such, the compulsion to listen to these instincts is extremely strong.
I think in modern times, we have civilization and are very unlikely to come across a predator animal, or a rival tribe of humans that want to kill us. These instincts/emotions aren't as applicable, as in many ways we are no longer in the same environment that made them beneficial. Now in many cases, these instincts, such as being wary of people who look and sound different from us (because most of the time in the past, this could likely become a deadly encounter) now manifest in awful things like racism (for example).
I hypothesize (in an extremely speculative way this is just an idea!) that ASD people struggle with the automatic perception of and processing of this passive sensory data, and this causes most of the social problems ASD people have.
Great input and highly enjoyable read!
On the last point about passively processing data, I've been experimenting with examining eye contact lately. I realized I was often looking at people's brow or nose, or if I was looking them in the eye I was blocking it out and not really interpreting it. I've been starting to observe people, usually when they are engaged with others, in their eyes.
The other day I was in a restaurant with a server who was annoying. I saw him waiting on a table and as he was apologizing for various things I watched the woman's eyes as she laughed and said "it's ok!" Up to now, I would have taken that response as her literally not minding and enjoying the exchange with the server. When I looked into her eyes and really paid attention, I felt like I could see signs of annoyance and embarrassment.
It illuminated that most people could passively interpret it and react instinctively whereas I had to actually focus attention to catch any glimpse of subtlety.
On the larger point about interviews, this is one of the things that forced me to cultivate some sense of cognitive empathy. I knew after failing for a while that I had to juggle their desire for a practical skill set (as opposed to listing off good accomplishments that weren't relevant to the job in particular) and regarding making them "like you" emotionally. I soften my face, try to act confident, and exercise my full ability to be witty. If you can make them laugh, display independence (which elicits respect compared to coming across as desperate), and show utility, you have the battle won.
It's easier to say than to do, and I find the emotional aspect of interviews to be the most anxiety inducing and what I have to plan the most for.
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Once you are looking at the point between their eyes you get the peoples mood and several emotions towards others. That why you should learn to do it. NT people are totally emotional driven. People prevent eye contact once they don't want you to read them as accurately. Some people get even annoyed once you do it longer then only few seconds and they dislike you watching them. I'm able to fake my mood and also able to stop feeling a mood at all. This cuts the emotional feedback of my eyes. I did this for trying and watched a women in their eyes once. She looked quite fast disgusted away because she thought me being heavily drunken or stoned because she got no emotional feedback of me at all. But I was just playing a little bit.
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(not sure what The Fair would wear. Ladies, you have so many more options than men!)
Wearing a white shirt and black trousers influences how people treat you.
It might be that they see you as a white collar worker with greater education and a better paying job.
I'm talking from personal experience here.
I think this is more a neurotypical thing due to their greater focus on social status. <shrug>
To a large extent.
Neurotypical society has an enormous emphasis on the emotional aspects of life.
Autistic individuals tend to be more rational in comparison.
Our brains evolved over millions of years to process information and make snap decisions in largely life or death situations. This has been true for all of animal (let alone human) history until maybe 500-200 years ago!
Most of what happens in the brain is subconscious, and most animals except for mammals don't really even have a conscious mind. Maybe some types of birds do, such as crows. But all insects (which account for almost all variation in animal life on earth), reptiles, amphibians, etc are more or less meat-based robots.
What emotions really are, are a type of instinct. Most people's brains take in a TON of sensory data all of the time. What colors are coming at me? What is the temperature? Are there other people around? What do they look like? Do they seem friendly, aggressive, indifferent? Are they lying to me? What is the tone of their voice? How much eye contact are they making?
All of this is happening automatically and subconsciously. Over the millennia, brains have also evolved to automatically draw certain conclusions from this passively-received data. Our ancestors (from all species, not just humans) were often able to survive, avoid dangerous situations, and gauge their interactions with other animals based on these instincts being correct or not. The ones whose 'instincts/emotions' were right, survived, and passed those abilities further on down the line.
These instincts are directly tied to the instincts to survive and reproduce, which are our primary biological imperatives. As such, the compulsion to listen to these instincts is extremely strong.
I think in modern times, we have civilization and are very unlikely to come across a predator animal, or a rival tribe of humans that want to kill us. These instincts/emotions aren't as applicable, as in many ways we are no longer in the same environment that made them beneficial. Now in many cases, these instincts, such as being wary of people who look and sound different from us (because most of the time in the past, this could likely become a deadly encounter) now manifest in awful things like racism (for example).
I hypothesize (in an extremely speculative way this is just an idea!) that ASD people struggle with the automatic perception of and processing of this passive sensory data, and this causes most of the social problems ASD people have.
Great input and highly enjoyable read!
I agree.
I couldn't have said it better.
Those who do not have this abundance of intentional processing, often respond to their environment more reflexively. They may have grown to rely on "gut feelings", intuition, and hunches. These may actually serve them rather well, but they may not be fully able to articulate the reasons for their conclusions.
Our neurology is geared to conscious rather than intuitive thought.
As a result, we autistics tend to have solid considered reasons for our decisions and opinions, while the garden variety neurotypical is often left floundering to explain why they think the way they do.
They do have a secret weapon in their arsenal, however.
Their ability to lie effectively to save face.
Heuristics and intuition can be anticipated and factored in, agreed.
The "white shirt phenomenon", for example.
Interestingly, "black" is considered a power colour.
A black suit in a political debate may be a good choice.
A black suit in an interview may intimidate the interviewer.
Not a hypothesis in my case; and this is what I had observed:
I had experienced a state where the latter's problem (processing issue) was removed.
Social issues are mostly gone, mainly because I could access the work around of recalling and make use of all my previous experiences and put all my knowledge into a practical use -- instead of mulling over and overthinking.
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The 'intuition' I end up having, though, became useful than a passive and a confused thing sitting uselessly on the corner.
It's more of a reaction time and timing thing thanks to processing. It's like the ability to know when and when not to butt-in without end up being accused of acting rude and disruptive.
And logic very much cooperates with this and became an asset more than ever. Logic doesn't have to do the heavy work, instead it became a navigator of sorts.
And with this processing, emotions became as it should be than a burden that I had to wrestle my control against.
The sensory issues of lack of filter along with too much detail's data input no longer became a problem -- no overwhelm, no confusions, no more 'whops, suddenly I forgot and became absentminded' because of competing stimuli.
It became an edge.. A really sharp edge that I could afford making an asset out of it.
The details won't 'distract' me, instead it became pieces of a bigger picture that I wasn't able to put together and put it in a frame that I had never knew I had for most of my life.
I became truly in control of 'myself', of this body, and everything that it could do.
It's like able to steer my own vessel my own way, firmly for the first time instead of this chaotic mess that doesn't cooperate.
Too bad it didn't last.
That's just my own personal observation though, literally a brief memory through my eyes -- and a sign of a fighting chance.
Don't know how anyone else would end up with, or had ever experienced this at all.
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There is a lot of evidence to support the theory that Women's brains are in general better at these sorts of subconscious data gathering and processing tasks, even among nuerotypical people.
It is also hypothesized that this causes some of the discrepancy in ASD diagnosis between men and women. ASD women are affected differently, or at least seem to be able to mask it better.
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