Is It Me Who Is One Of The Few Who Sees Patterns?

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07 Jul 2019, 6:39 am

I am looking at a thread and thinking (And I don't want to spoil the adventure of the thread by making comment as many of you are enjoying mentally exploring...), but is it just me who sees patterns and can see straight through things? Ok, I can only see through what I have taken the time to explore (Which can take me days, weeks, months or even years of slow mental processing and information gathering as I don't think quick wneh I use the depths of my mind...).
Is what I do in this way typical of asperges? I mean, the ability to explore a specific subject that I have latched onto and after exploring it to gain enough depth of information and width of information in what it relates to, and then sifting through to see what is left so I then make a logical conclusion, come up with an answer that fits all criteria and then moves on? The ability to sift through and see the patterns... To complete the mental jigsaw, and like a jigsaw, once made and the picture is seen... But untill that point comes what I call "Latching onto the subject".... Where I will be gathering all the bits and pieces of information that I can find, mentally processing as I go... !
But I was thinking. It is plain to me that not everyone thinks like this. Many seem to have the ability to automatically come to an on the spot conclusion or will also be taken in by things they can't see as in having the gift of making instant decisions, they may miss the whole picture?
The issue I have is latching on... Most subjects in life I don't seem to be able to latch onto. These subjects I generally line up to what I know but I have not explored them and, it is almost as if I can't explore them. I would hit mental walls... I mean... My mind would not cope. It would say "No!" I would habe to push the subject aside in my brain... Let someone else explore!
But if I can and do latch onto a subject, not only can I keep processing and gathering all the information I can which will rather look like one of those family trees of information leading off the main subject "Trunk", which can take years to explore... And I enjoy exploring! Oh boy, it can be fun where I can spend hours in a day mentally daydreaming... And I am not super intelligent. Just on the upper end or slightly over of average intelligence... I am certainly not a quick thinker! But now I really know how I think and where my strengths are, it is an advantage.
Question. Is how I think common to asperges/autism, or is it just general thinking trait? I tend to convert things into pictures in my inner thouhts and go deeper and deeper in depth when I can use pictures... Hence, where model railways are concerned, I design in my mind rather then on paper. (I only use paper to record measurements if I need to duplicate the design at a later date. I rarely ever measure unless I have to as I have developed plenty of much quicker methods then measuring... Especially since those little millimetres on a ruler seem to be difficult to see!)
But going back to patterns... Seeing through a subject... Why can't others see the same? Am I unique? Or do some of you do the same? If you think in a different way, how does your mind think?



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07 Jul 2019, 6:57 am

Recognizing patterns is just the way that the brain works and what the brain is made for. The brain also trains itself to recognize them faster within all things you are dealing with. But many autist realize patterns and details more often rational and do care more about this than NTs do.


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07 Jul 2019, 7:49 am

Your title says one thing:"that you see patterns others don't see".

Then your original post says something else: that you're a typical aspie who gets absorbed in particular narrow subjects of interest.

But you never get around to stating what the second point has to do with the first point.

So I don't what you're saying.



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07 Jul 2019, 8:39 am

Hang on. I need to check what I said as my mind was set lose writing.

Patterns... How to explain... Well. When I look at a certain topic and I feel that I know the ins and outs and explanation of the topic because I can see where the pattens of the topic lead to... As if the patterns form an oberlying picture and the picture gives me the conclusion of the subject? And I sit here with the conclusion watching many others disscuss the various depths of the subject and are heading off in wrong directions... But these directions must be explored but they have not yet found the "Key"... so things don't yet make sense to them as they are not standing back looking at the whole picture because the spirital aspects of what is being discussed has not been added to complete the picture...
The pattern is not complete and cannot be seen without the whole picture in an almost three dimentional form is brought into being... And the answer is straightforward and simple with the "Key" but without the key to it all it is a tangled mess of two dimentional pieces?

That is the closest way that I can explain what I mean by seeing patterns. Hopefully I make sense? The same patterns I find come from the results in exploring many subjects that I latch onto. But to explain the reasoning behind such conclusions would take a very long time and require much thought in itself, as it would be like taking people for tours round my mind to explain how the pattern emerged and all the key points that form such a pattern... And I come up with a sinhle answer which makes no sense to anyone still exploring unless I let them explore the whole subject for themselves...(And even then many get "Stuck" on a certain aspect which is a kind of folly, but unless the folly is explored they would not know it was a folly... and if I tell anyone about the folly they would not believe me until they have fully expolred the folly for themselves, but without the "Keys" they have no way to bring rhw picture into a three dimention form to make sense of it all?

Patrerns are like this. Haha. It maybe why sometimes while deep in thought I get the "Asperges stare" moments, though ususally I get them when my mind just switches off and takes a much needed break. :)



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07 Jul 2019, 3:48 pm

I do this too. It often comes as a surprise to me what comes out of my mouth when someone asks me the right question or someone else's disscusion interests me enough to make me interupt them. I can spontaneously give synopses of complex topics drawing together ideas and facts from all over getting right to the heart of the issue. But if I tried doing that in a planned way I would trip over every word and stutter and leave out pertinent facts and make a complete fool of myself:( Interest can circumnavigate my dysfunctional social circuits at times to expose the competent pattern recognition system that lies
underneath. I am really good at understanding how things fit together but hopeless at planning how to use the knowledge. There are too many variables when things haven't happened yet, they fly about refusing to be looked at properly.


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07 Jul 2019, 4:34 pm

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I do this too. It often comes as a surprise to me what comes out of my mouth when someone asks me the right question or someone else's disscusion interests me enough to make me interupt them. I can spontaneously give synopses of complex topics drawing together ideas and facts from all over getting right to the heart of the issue. But if I tried doing that in a planned way I would trip over every word and stutter and leave out pertinent facts and make a complete fool of myself:( Interest can circumnavigate my dysfunctional social circuits at times to expose the competent pattern recognition system that lies
underneath. I am really good at understanding how things fit together but hopeless at planning how to use the knowledge. There are too many variables when things haven't happened yet, they fly about refusing to be looked at properly.


Do you think it is possible that you are a quick or a slow thinker?



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07 Jul 2019, 8:04 pm

I am a pattern learner and a slow learner when the pattern is unfamiliar to me. Once I get a pattern, I can quickly drop other pieces of information into the pattern and see how they fit together. Once I get a pattern, I can't really explain to others how I see the pattern or how I know this is part of the pattern. It all happens behind closed doors in my mind.


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07 Jul 2019, 8:07 pm

blazingstar wrote:
I am a pattern learner and a slow learner when the pattern is unfamiliar to me. Once I get a pattern, I can quickly drop other pieces of information into the pattern and see how they fit together. Once I get a pattern, I can't really explain to others how I see the pattern or how I know this is part of the pattern. It all happens behind closed doors in my mind.


Are you a Christian? The reason why I ask is if you are, you may also be able to see the patterns relate in a spiritual way as well to give an extra dimention to the pattern... If that makes sense?



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07 Jul 2019, 10:16 pm

Can you complete the following pattern (next row in the sequence)....?

1
11
21
1211
111221
.................

I also see patterns, which is a commonality among all humans. This is the main reason I developed Mathematical equations for fun and re-discovered Vedic Mathematics. I also enjoy finding patterns in human behavior. It depends where you divert your energy. We all tend to gravitate towards our strengths because more satisfaction is attained for some time duration. Thus, if pattern recognition is a strength, then it follows that the skill will be developed at a faster rate relative to others. If success can be represented as a package where the elements within the package correspond to some achievement based on a particular skill, then the package size would be directly proportional to the magnitude of a strength. However, there will always be deficiencies developed if the energy is intensified in a particular area and not balanced. This tends to hold true among those with ASD due to narrower interests, which in turn leads to a larger variation in capacities. Those with aspergers generally perceive input with higher intensity and saturation, which ramps up visual processing capabilities (leading to stronger pattern recognition/perceptual skills).



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08 Jul 2019, 4:22 am

Is interesting you put the mathematical type pattern, as these patterns are normally the things in maths I struggle with. I can do them but it takes me longer then others, and sometimes I'm just blind to them.
Now here's something I find strange. I would (I think I would), if given all the facts and time, probably be pretty good at being a detective. I would explore the same scenes and avenues again and again and again if I had the stomache to look at some of the scenes, which I don't. My mind is like a terrrier when it comes to something like this, but I do lack social skills I that I am not a social person, so I will be looking in from the outside and not being able to tell so much how people think at the time... But I am sympathetic to how they think (If that makes sense?). But if I can get my mind to latch onto something, I will be percieved as someone spending weeks or months of daydreaming, but I will be finding things that to me would be so obvious that others have missed... As I seem to use back to front methods of thinking... Probably why in maths, that I was either excellent at it but could not tell you how I got the right answer as I would not e able to explain it, or I would do very badly and not even pick up the half marks for method.. (If that makes sense, but I can learn the correct methods... And I will do well, but for me the correct methods are quickly forgotton as it is not the natural approach...
Now the strange thing is about detectives is I will be thinking along many different ways to examine all the different suspects, rather then the one methodical approach. I will keep coming back and back and back. However, I am not a person who would want to do too much interviewing.



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09 Jul 2019, 9:58 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
Is interesting you put the mathematical type pattern, as these patterns are normally the things in maths I struggle with. I can do them but it takes me longer then others, and sometimes I'm just blind to them.
Now here's something I find strange. I would (I think I would), if given all the facts and time, probably be pretty good at being a detective. I would explore the same scenes and avenues again and again and again if I had the stomache to look at some of the scenes, which I don't. My mind is like a terrrier when it comes to something like this, but I do lack social skills I that I am not a social person, so I will be looking in from the outside and not being able to tell so much how people think at the time... But I am sympathetic to how they think (If that makes sense?). But if I can get my mind to latch onto something, I will be percieved as someone spending weeks or months of daydreaming, but I will be finding things that to me would be so obvious that others have missed... As I seem to use back to front methods of thinking... Probably why in maths, that I was either excellent at it but could not tell you how I got the right answer as I would not e able to explain it, or I would do very badly and not even pick up the half marks for method.. (If that makes sense, but I can learn the correct methods... And I will do well, but for me the correct methods are quickly forgotton as it is not the natural approach...
Now the strange thing is about detectives is I will be thinking along many different ways to examine all the different suspects, rather then the one methodical approach. I will keep coming back and back and back. However, I am not a person who would want to do too much interviewing.



From what I gather, you are able to subconsciously arrive at a solution because your mind can envelop the input from the external environment, which causes an instantaneous connection to be realized at a higher frequency. By hyper-focusing on certain elements in space with the intent/interest in yielding a connection/pattern, solutions to problems will inevitably become more reflexive over time. I like to think of some future connection as a point in space outside your global frame of reference. Think of any input as an element that can congregate and transform into a bridge. Now, if you consider past input, it would make sense that any new obtained info could be the missing piece of the puzzle which completes the bridge, hence, forming a leap in space. Intuition is a gift that everyone utilizes, however, not all will expend the necessary energy in unlocking its potential.



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10 Jul 2019, 12:38 am

hurley4456 wrote:
Can you complete the following pattern (next row in the sequence)....?

1
11
21
1211
111221
.................

I'm usually good at this sort of thing, but I am unable to discern a sufficiently predictable pattern that would enable me to predict the next number in the above sequence, despite printing out the above and staring at it over dinner. Could you (or anyone else who sees the pattern) give us any clues?


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10 Jul 2019, 1:00 am

hurley4456 wrote:
Can you complete the following pattern (next row in the sequence)....?

1
11
21
1211
111221
.................


312211
13112221
1113213211
31131211131221
13211311123213112211
1113122113311213121113212221
311311222123211211131112311312113211



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10 Jul 2019, 8:28 am

synchromystic wrote:
hurley4456 wrote:
Can you complete the following pattern (next row in the sequence)....?

1
11
21
1211
111221
.................


312211
13112221
1113213211
31131211131221
13211311123213112211
1113122113311213121113212221
311311222123211211131112311312113211


Very good!

For those interested in the recurcive pattern, you use the following rules:
- The successive row is derived from preceeding row (a given)
- By progessing from left to right, consider each number set as an individual element ( i.e. Row 5: 111, 22, and 1 are individual sets
- Count the number of elements per set and arrange left to right numerically ( i.e. Row 5: There exists three (3) 1's, two (2) 2's, and one (1) 1.
(312211) = row 6


I have another one, but this is derived from vedic mathematics, and I spent my some time working on it....Note: This is a visual pattern based on the shifting on numerical elements. Also, row N is supposed to be shifted to the right N-1 times (hint-space bar). So, if you write it out again by shifting row 2 one time, row 3 two times and so forth, it may help. This is is how you convert a square into an inverted triangle... You can explain verbally or visually based on preferree method..Consider the following term written as ABCD^(2)

3568^(2) =

09253664
306096
3680
48



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10 Jul 2019, 9:55 am

I can spot patterns in my garden. I know that normal people can't remember stuff over months, never mind years, objectively.

Normal people put too much importance on their idea being right. I'm more interested in learning the truth.



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10 Jul 2019, 10:04 am

BTDT wrote:
I can spot patterns in my garden. I know that normal people can't remember stuff over months, never mind years, objectively.

Normal people put too much importance on their idea being right. I'm more interested in learning the truth.


- The truth is right until deemed false (wrong). Hence, truth is essentially reletive according to the summation of truths preceeding the outcome. Thus, it's important to be skeptical because there's so much we don't know. WE are limited to our frame of referance and global scope of discreet observations. I have been wrong numerous times, but that is the prerequsite for growth. We would inherently decay if considering ALL our opinions /beliefs as true. I'm just going off a tangent btw...