How would you tell what % of autism a person has?

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24 Nov 2019, 5:35 am

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With reference to the above thread and it's title. How would you tell a person is a 100% 90% 80% etc autistic ? What criteria would be used in arriving at an autism score between 0 to 100 % ?



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24 Nov 2019, 7:24 am

Probably one of the few way is the degree of the desire for social intercourse while being among people.



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24 Nov 2019, 8:59 am

You mean that you want to take THAT guy's idea, and make it gospel?

Well...okay. Lets go with that.

I got snared into debating him because I misunderstood him. I assumed that he was going by the more common vertical "functioning levels" of autism, and that "100 percent autistic" would mean the ultimate LFA: a totally nonverbal, and totally nonfunctioning, totally unreachable, person in a ward (as opposed somekind of ideal NT being 0 percent autistic). He was in fact using a totally different horizontal scale for his "percentage of autism" notion.

You can be on any functioning level of autism and still vary on his perpendicular scale of "percentage of autism". What he is talking about how machine-like or how robot like you are, as opposed to being ...I dunno...how "human like"... you are. My understanding of his understanding of it is that a 100 percent autistic would be like Spock, or like Jaime the Robot in the Sixties spy sitcom "Get Smart". High functioning, well dressed, articulate, intelligent, but...machine like, pure logic, not emotional in the usual sense, and also impaired at sensing nuance, context, or being able to "read between the lines", taking things literally..

And actually there is a certain logic to what he is saying. I have seen trainwreck conversations between folks on WP when one person (who may have a higher IQ than the other person and have a better job than the other person, but) make an idiot of themselves when talking to the other person because the first person takes thing too literally and doesn't read between the lines the way an NT or the second person does. Further - the guy who started that thread may well be an example of what he is talking about. In this dichotomy that he invented he himself would be "close to 100 percent autistic". He is rather robot like in the way he takes things literally.

How would you tell such a person? Well... the more they act like Jaime the robot, the closer to a 100 percent they are!



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24 Nov 2019, 9:09 am

Not even Spock reaches the “100% autistic” threshold.

He’s half-human, after all.



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24 Nov 2019, 9:10 am

You don't know what percent autism someone has

They might not know

They don't have to tell you

Sometimes psychologists give wrong diagnosis

When I disclosed autism by far the most common answer "you don't look autistic"



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24 Nov 2019, 9:54 am

naturalplastic wrote:
You mean that you want to take THAT guy's idea, and make it gospel?

Well...okay. Lets go with that.



Well, I'd like to see how if such a thing is possible how it would be assessed. If that's making it gospel then yes.



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24 Nov 2019, 9:57 am

It’s a very subjective measure. It’s based on one person’s idea pertaining to autism...versus another person’s idea of autism.

I wonder where that Human 2.0 guy has gone....



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24 Nov 2019, 10:29 am

Don't know how you would turn his version of the autism spectrum into a diagnostic test to assess your "percentage".

But I did notice some things about that OP of that thread.

Maybe he is just being a troll, but he seemed to be genuinely surprised that folks read him as being arrogant to the pathological degree, and he said one quite telling thing. He said "its not like there is a line forming of people to compete for being the worlds best person". Everyone in the human race competes for status. But no one ever talks about it because its so obviouis that it goes without saying. If he is oblvious to that obvious fact of life of human existence then he is indeed seriously impaired as a member of the social species he belongs to (that being humans). And may well be closer to a 100 percent autistic ( by his own invented scale) than anyone I have ever before encountered.

And as I said before his scale does have a certain logic to it. But for me it would be a paradigm shift to really think of it that way.



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24 Nov 2019, 10:33 am

I'm sure he sees himself as highly logical , but to the mad man the illogical is perfectly logical .



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24 Nov 2019, 10:49 am

Or.....he’s making fun of the autistic person’s penchant for logic.



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24 Nov 2019, 12:10 pm

There is no such thing as percentage of Autism. You are either Autistic or you are not. You can't be a little Autistic or a lot Autistic. It's a spectrum not a gradient.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:16 pm

skibum wrote:
There is no such thing as percentage of Autism. You are either Autistic or you are not. You can't be a little Autistic or a lot Autistic. It's a spectrum not a gradient.

I don't believe you can calculate percentage of autism in a person, as there's no "autistic ideal". Autism symptoms can go many different ways.
However, with the "either autistic or not" approach, I always wonder on which side the Board Autism Phenotype individuals should be sorted.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:17 pm

The Aspie Quiz (results shown in my sig) seem to be trying to do this. You could picture yourself 100% and see what score you get (there's a science project for someone with more time available than me :lol:). I noticed this quiz didn't show very strong results for me. But then I also noticed the user who posted the link had a diagnosis and also had weak results. Other quizzes showed stronger results and I should probably use a different quiz in my signature.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:27 pm

I score on the test quite high. I show very little external (behavioral) symptoms.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:28 pm

skibum wrote:
There is no such thing as percentage of Autism. You are either Autistic or you are not. You can't be a little Autistic or a lot Autistic. It's a spectrum not a gradient.


Whats the difference?

The gradient metaphor comes from a sloping hill in which each point on the slope has a progesssively changing amount of the same thing: altitude.

And the "spectrum" metaphor comes from colors on the rainbow -which means- the metaphor comes from visible light- and visible light is actually a small part of the larger "spectrum" of electromagnetic radiation. Beyond the color purple you get ultraviolet light and then X rays, and then gamma rays. Go the other way, beyond red, you get infared, and then various kinds of radio (microwave, and Am and FM etc). What makes the electromagnetic "spectrum" a "spectrum" is that there there is a sliding scale of gradually changing amounts of the same thing:vibration frequency.

So both "gradient" and "spectrum" are gradually changing amounts of a certain one thing. So both metaphors mean pretty much the same thing.



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24 Nov 2019, 12:33 pm

magz wrote:
skibum wrote:
There is no such thing as percentage of Autism. You are either Autistic or you are not. You can't be a little Autistic or a lot Autistic. It's a spectrum not a gradient.

I don't believe you can calculate percentage of autism in a person, as there's no "autistic ideal". Autism symptoms can go many different ways.
However, with the "either autistic or not" approach, I always wonder on which side the Board Autism Phenotype individuals should be sorted.
BAP people are not Autistic. They have a few strong traits but not enough and not severely enough to actually be Autistic. Like a pre-diabetic and a diabetic. Two very different things with similar components. Unlike with diabetes, a BAP person will not become Autistic over time. But like with diabetes, a pre-diabetic has some components of diabetes but not full blown enough to be an actual diabetic.


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