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14 Jul 2020, 5:06 pm

I found this post on autismforums quite interesting. It brought up a few questions. Namely could autistic people also have varying degrees of emotional sensitivity like with the senses. This could make sense.

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Yesterday I picked up a book on Play Books with the title of this post. 10 days ago when I took the fledgling bird to the vet I made a post on this site. Someone replied saying I was highly sensitive and it lead to a lot of introspection.

For a long time I've been focusing my attention on overcoming anxiety, depression and more recently; investigating the spectrum and ADHD - both of which I'm currently on waiting lists for assessments. I've always been looking for root causes - to try and gain an understanding why I think and react like I do.

After that comment, I started researching emotional hypersensitivity and it lead me to a site with books and a questionnaire by a psychologist who had researched this field - having been emotionally hypersensitive herself. The self-assessment is free and quick to complete

Apparently this is a condition from birth and quite common - occurring in around 1 in 5 people to varying degrees. Anything over 14 out of the 27 questions is considered probably HSP. I scored 24 myself, and so I thought further reading would be useful.

The ebook was cheap and so far it feels engaging, well written and inviting. The research was performed by herself through interviews, questionnaires, psychotherapy sessions etc. Having HSP herself and writing the book feels a lot more valid than other books I have read which seem to be from a neutral perspective of medical professionals who have undertaken case studies and research.

I'd be interested to see how others score on the test. As people on the spectrum often have co-morbidities, I wonder how many could potentially be HSP too.

Even after the short prologue I knew I'd come across something extremely useful and highly relevant for me and my life. I still have a long way to go with the book, but I have a feeling it will be invaluable.

https://hsperson.com/test/highly-sensitive-test/
I got a 21/27.


Anyway the test scores ranged from 7-24 Now It's extremely clear that this 'condition' has a TON of overlap with ASD/SPD. There is also the problem that alot of people who have ASD aren't very emotional intelligent. What do you guys think?


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14 Jul 2020, 6:43 pm

15/25
I relate to input (noticing stuff too much, lack of filters, etc.) but not much about reactions (anxiety, pain, etc.)

In otherwords, I have a hypersensitive system yet who acts and behaves like a hyposensitive person. :lol:



But yeah.
It made sense to me. An internal and emotions version that coincides with the dimensions of autistic SPD.
The usual impressions would either EF through emotional intellectual delay, slow processing or some form of BPD.


Yet I'm quite past about focusing taking intensities and noticing subtleties (both sensory and emotional) as opposed to 'protecting' myself and ignoring things respectively.

I'm now more about fuguring internal processing -- it's like akin to smoothening the process of 'digestion' than making 'taste' easier to take.


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14 Jul 2020, 7:20 pm

Edna3362 wrote:
15/25
I relate to input (noticing stuff too much, lack of filters, etc.) but not much about reactions (anxiety, pain, etc.)

In otherwords, I have a hypersensitive system yet who acts and behaves like a hyposensitive person. :lol:



But yeah.
It made sense to me. An internal and emotions version that coincides with the dimensions of autistic SPD.
The usual impressions would either EF through emotional intellectual delay, slow processing or some form of BPD.


Yet I'm quite past about focusing taking intensities and noticing subtleties (both sensory and emotional) as opposed to 'protecting' myself and ignoring things respectively.

I'm now more about fuguring internal processing -- it's like akin to smoothening the process of 'digestion' than making 'taste' easier to take.
[color=#0077aa] It seems like now that i'm not longer emotionally blunt i'm better at reading my emotions. This happened a less than a month ago. I'm also better at relating to people. and have learned how to be more compasionate. I also wonder if maybe this does occur but it's unclear about it because of alexithymia and other issues understand emotions.
P.S. what's EF


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14 Jul 2020, 7:59 pm

21 for me.



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14 Jul 2020, 10:10 pm

Pieplup wrote:
Edna3362 wrote:
15/25
I relate to input (noticing stuff too much, lack of filters, etc.) but not much about reactions (anxiety, pain, etc.)

In otherwords, I have a hypersensitive system yet who acts and behaves like a hyposensitive person. :lol:



But yeah.
It made sense to me. An internal and emotions version that coincides with the dimensions of autistic SPD.
The usual impressions would either EF through emotional intellectual delay, slow processing or some form of BPD.


Yet I'm quite past about focusing taking intensities and noticing subtleties (both sensory and emotional) as opposed to 'protecting' myself and ignoring things respectively.

I'm now more about fuguring internal processing -- it's like akin to smoothening the process of 'digestion' than making 'taste' easier to take.
[color=#0077aa] It seems like now that i'm not longer emotionally blunt i'm better at reading my emotions. This happened a less than a month ago. I'm also better at relating to people. and have learned how to be more compasionate. I also wonder if maybe this does occur but it's unclear about it because of alexithymia and other issues understand emotions.
P.S. what's EF

Executive Functioning. Specifically, self regulation and self monitoring.
Which is also huge in sensory processing.

If it's truly alexithymia, you'd still struggle with expressing and discerning emotions in a long run, as if it's a colorblindness of sort.
You'd likely still had little to no emotionally internal narrative, no matter how well experienced you'll be in distinguishing emotions, no matter how great one's self monitoring and regulation system can be -- emotions are more like symptoms.

But even emotional colorblindness can be worked around and dealt with accordingly.



If you're alexithymic in a sense you're either inexperienced and newly realized emotions (self monitor), or had yet to build prerequisites to process certain emotions and just reached sufficient processing to realize emotions (self regulation)...
Or, like me, just lack the means to express it properly no matter how clear it is in the inside (literally no-words for emotions)...

I believe most people do, autistics just lacks more emotional processing prerequisites and experience, making a good fraction more alexithymic.


And, what happened? :) How did your change came to be?


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14 Jul 2020, 10:21 pm

23. I wonder about ASD though, seems to be extremes --- whereas I am super jumpy, my BFF (ASD-like) is the opposite. I would bet she scores low HSP: 15 similar to Edna.

For my BFF, while I said "yes" to startling, she would say "no", BUT I said "no" to needing time alone, and she would definitely say "yes" to those. Two different apple trees in the same orchard?

BTW - I score near 100% for emotional intelligence (EQ) in theory, but less than 50% EQ in practice. "Yes, I know the correct behavior, but heck if I can figure out how to get myself to behave that way."



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15 Jul 2020, 6:49 am

Edna3362 wrote:
Pieplup wrote:
Edna3362 wrote:
15/25
I relate to input (noticing stuff too much, lack of filters, etc.) but not much about reactions (anxiety, pain, etc.)

In otherwords, I have a hypersensitive system yet who acts and behaves like a hyposensitive person. :lol:



But yeah.
It made sense to me. An internal and emotions version that coincides with the dimensions of autistic SPD.
The usual impressions would either EF through emotional intellectual delay, slow processing or some form of BPD.


Yet I'm quite past about focusing taking intensities and noticing subtleties (both sensory and emotional) as opposed to 'protecting' myself and ignoring things respectively.

I'm now more about fuguring internal processing -- it's like akin to smoothening the process of 'digestion' than making 'taste' easier to take.
[color=#0077aa] It seems like now that i'm not longer emotionally blunt i'm better at reading my emotions. This happened a less than a month ago. I'm also better at relating to people. and have learned how to be more compasionate. I also wonder if maybe this does occur but it's unclear about it because of alexithymia and other issues understand emotions.
P.S. what's EF

Executive Functioning. Specifically, self regulation and self monitoring.
Which is also huge in sensory processing.

If it's truly alexithymia, you'd still struggle with expressing and discerning emotions in a long run, as if it's a colorblindness of sort.
You'd likely still had little to no emotionally internal narrative, no matter how well experienced you'll be in distinguishing emotions, no matter how great one's self monitoring and regulation system can be -- emotions are more like symptoms.

But even emotional colorblindness can be worked around and dealt with accordingly.



If you're alexithymic in a sense you're either inexperienced and newly realized emotions (self monitor), or had yet to build prerequisites to process certain emotions and just reached sufficient processing to realize emotions (self regulation)...
Or, like me, just lack the means to express it properly no matter how clear it is in the inside (literally no-words for emotions)...

I believe most people do, autistics just lacks more emotional processing prerequisites and experience, making a good fraction more alexithymic.


And, what happened? :) How did your change came to be?

I made a post about it when i came back to this forum. and like I think what it is is after being forced to guess what my emotions are based on my actions i'm better on determining it. and I still struggle to explain my feelings as well. I'm saying maybe my emotional reaction to things is higher than most. Atleast that it's a possibility. I'm still a bit fo a skeptic. I'm not sure what to think tbh. I just think it's an interesting theory. I'm not sure what you maen by self regulation and self monitoring. I struggle alot with executive functioning to the point people tell me something and I forget it within the first 30 seconds. Especially instructions. I struggle to express my emotions still.. Like someone tried to ask me how to sum up how i feel and i couldn't.


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15 Jul 2020, 7:41 am

Pieplup wrote:
Edna3362 wrote:
Pieplup wrote:
Edna3362 wrote:
15/25
I relate to input (noticing stuff too much, lack of filters, etc.) but not much about reactions (anxiety, pain, etc.)

In otherwords, I have a hypersensitive system yet who acts and behaves like a hyposensitive person. :lol:



But yeah.
It made sense to me. An internal and emotions version that coincides with the dimensions of autistic SPD.
The usual impressions would either EF through emotional intellectual delay, slow processing or some form of BPD.


Yet I'm quite past about focusing taking intensities and noticing subtleties (both sensory and emotional) as opposed to 'protecting' myself and ignoring things respectively.

I'm now more about fuguring internal processing -- it's like akin to smoothening the process of 'digestion' than making 'taste' easier to take.
[color=#0077aa] It seems like now that i'm not longer emotionally blunt i'm better at reading my emotions. This happened a less than a month ago. I'm also better at relating to people. and have learned how to be more compasionate. I also wonder if maybe this does occur but it's unclear about it because of alexithymia and other issues understand emotions.
P.S. what's EF

Executive Functioning. Specifically, self regulation and self monitoring.
Which is also huge in sensory processing.

If it's truly alexithymia, you'd still struggle with expressing and discerning emotions in a long run, as if it's a colorblindness of sort.
You'd likely still had little to no emotionally internal narrative, no matter how well experienced you'll be in distinguishing emotions, no matter how great one's self monitoring and regulation system can be -- emotions are more like symptoms.

But even emotional colorblindness can be worked around and dealt with accordingly.



If you're alexithymic in a sense you're either inexperienced and newly realized emotions (self monitor), or had yet to build prerequisites to process certain emotions and just reached sufficient processing to realize emotions (self regulation)...
Or, like me, just lack the means to express it properly no matter how clear it is in the inside (literally no-words for emotions)...

I believe most people do, autistics just lacks more emotional processing prerequisites and experience, making a good fraction more alexithymic.


And, what happened? :) How did your change came to be?

I made a post about it when i came back to this forum. and like I think what it is is after being forced to guess what my emotions are based on my actions i'm better on determining it. and I still struggle to explain my feelings as well. I'm saying maybe my emotional reaction to things is higher than most. Atleast that it's a possibility. I'm still a bit fo a skeptic. I'm not sure what to think tbh. I just think it's an interesting theory. I'm not sure what you maen by self regulation and self monitoring. I struggle alot with executive functioning to the point people tell me something and I forget it within the first 30 seconds. Especially instructions. I struggle to express my emotions still.. Like someone tried to ask me how to sum up how i feel and i couldn't.

Based on that post on haven;
It kinda reminds me of my emotional milestone. The letting go and resolving parts is quite similar when I was 16 or so.

I'd say there will be more to come. :lol:
When and how, you'll know when you have it.


Self-monitoring means to be aware of one's behavior and internal states.
Poor self monitoring would mean less chance of realizing and acknowledging one's actions, expressing emotions, controlling thoughts...

Self-regulation means to moderate stimuli and handle one's emotions.
Poor self-regulation would mean sensory and emotional overwhelm/underwhelm, which leads to mood issues and then in turn difficult behaviors.


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15 Jul 2020, 7:52 am

Edna3362 wrote:
Pieplup wrote:
Edna3362 wrote:
Pieplup wrote:
Edna3362 wrote:
15/25
I relate to input (noticing stuff too much, lack of filters, etc.) but not much about reactions (anxiety, pain, etc.)

In otherwords, I have a hypersensitive system yet who acts and behaves like a hyposensitive person. :lol:



But yeah.
It made sense to me. An internal and emotions version that coincides with the dimensions of autistic SPD.
The usual impressions would either EF through emotional intellectual delay, slow processing or some form of BPD.


Yet I'm quite past about focusing taking intensities and noticing subtleties (both sensory and emotional) as opposed to 'protecting' myself and ignoring things respectively.

I'm now more about fuguring internal processing -- it's like akin to smoothening the process of 'digestion' than making 'taste' easier to take.
[color=#0077aa] It seems like now that i'm not longer emotionally blunt i'm better at reading my emotions. This happened a less than a month ago. I'm also better at relating to people. and have learned how to be more compasionate. I also wonder if maybe this does occur but it's unclear about it because of alexithymia and other issues understand emotions.
P.S. what's EF

Executive Functioning. Specifically, self regulation and self monitoring.
Which is also huge in sensory processing.

If it's truly alexithymia, you'd still struggle with expressing and discerning emotions in a long run, as if it's a colorblindness of sort.
You'd likely still had little to no emotionally internal narrative, no matter how well experienced you'll be in distinguishing emotions, no matter how great one's self monitoring and regulation system can be -- emotions are more like symptoms.

But even emotional colorblindness can be worked around and dealt with accordingly.



If you're alexithymic in a sense you're either inexperienced and newly realized emotions (self monitor), or had yet to build prerequisites to process certain emotions and just reached sufficient processing to realize emotions (self regulation)...
Or, like me, just lack the means to express it properly no matter how clear it is in the inside (literally no-words for emotions)...

I believe most people do, autistics just lacks more emotional processing prerequisites and experience, making a good fraction more alexithymic.


And, what happened? :) How did your change came to be?

I made a post about it when i came back to this forum. and like I think what it is is after being forced to guess what my emotions are based on my actions i'm better on determining it. and I still struggle to explain my feelings as well. I'm saying maybe my emotional reaction to things is higher than most. Atleast that it's a possibility. I'm still a bit fo a skeptic. I'm not sure what to think tbh. I just think it's an interesting theory. I'm not sure what you maen by self regulation and self monitoring. I struggle alot with executive functioning to the point people tell me something and I forget it within the first 30 seconds. Especially instructions. I struggle to express my emotions still.. Like someone tried to ask me how to sum up how i feel and i couldn't.

Based on that post on haven;
It kinda reminds me of my emotional milestone. The letting go and resolving parts is quite similar when I was 16 or so.

I'd say there will be more to come. :lol:
When and how, you'll know when you have it.


Self-monitoring means to be aware of one's behavior and internal states.
Poor self monitoring would mean less chance of realizing and acknowledging one's actions, expressing emotions, controlling thoughts...

Self-regulation means to moderate stimuli and handle one's emotions.
Poor self-regulation would mean sensory and emotional overwhelm/underwhelm, which leads to mood issues and then in turn difficult behaviors.
Maybe not it was more about my trauma and not letting it dictate my life than anything.


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17 Jul 2020, 12:43 pm

I’m very sensitive to extreme emotions (good and bad). These cause me high anxiety and meltdowns.