Psychiatrist, Neuropsychiatrist, or Other for ASD?

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23 Sep 2020, 2:25 pm

Where does one find adequate support for ASD? My longtime psychiatrist, though well-intended, seems to overlook my autism frequently. He has at times mistaken autistic behaviors for psychiatric ones, and seems to underestimate my challenges with communication. I've considered printing out some articles to help him understand this, yet am also considering a "fresh start" elsewhere.

Is a neuropsychiatrist a better fit, or worth seeking additionally? I'm also curious about seeking other supports in adulthood (i.e. occupational therapy). I need help with things like executive functioning and communication, but from someone who can differentiate my disability from trauma. They can't support one without acknowledging the other, and I have identified this as much of the problem.



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23 Sep 2020, 2:59 pm

DeathParty wrote:
Where does one find adequate support for ASD? My longtime psychiatrist, though well-intended, seems to overlook my autism frequently. He has at times mistaken autistic behaviors for psychiatric ones, and seems to underestimate my challenges with communication. I've considered printing out some articles to help him understand this, yet am also considering a "fresh start" elsewhere.

Is a neuropsychiatrist a better fit, or worth seeking additionally? I'm also curious about seeking other supports in adulthood (i.e. occupational therapy). I need help wihttps://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewto ... t=390825th things like executive functioning and communication, but from someone who can differentiate my disability from trauma. They can't support one without acknowledging the other, and I have identified this as much of the problem.


If you want to overcome your problems, I created a post that explains how to get rid of problems common in autism here - viewtopic.php?t=390750

If you just want to cope a little, a therapist might work. I don't think psychiatrists and neuropsychiatrists would be able to do anything other than give you drugs that studies show aren't very effective.



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23 Sep 2020, 3:44 pm

Point taken. I've had even more trouble with therapists, though. Two refused to believe that I was autistic in spite of already being diagnosed. I think it's because I can present well in a quiet, one-on-one environment. Many mental health professionals don't seem to consider it at all with me. I've had meltdowns mistaken for mood swings and genuine social difficulties dismissed as anxiety alone. I'd like to do away with such ineffective "help" altogether, honestly, but a lot of this is because I'm on disability and need validation for it.

A bit off topic but, if I suspect co-morbid learning issues, is that something a neuropsychiatrist can diagnose? I actually believe that unsupported learning issues may be the root of a lot of my dysfunction (and resulting emotional issues). Appreciate the link, though.



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23 Sep 2020, 3:55 pm

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Point taken. I've had even more trouble with therapists, though. Two refused to believe that I was autistic in spite of already being diagnosed. I think it's because I can present well in a quiet, one-on-one environment. Many mental health professionals don't seem to consider it at all with me. I've had meltdowns mistaken for mood swings and genuine social difficulties dismissed as anxiety alone. I'd like to do away with such ineffective "help" altogether, honestly, but a lot of this is because I'm on disability and need validation for it.


I think most autistic people are probably better off without any mental health professionals. Things like stress, anxiety, and depression can all be treated on your own. Books written by experienced therapists are probably better than seeing average therapists in person because you can choose to follow what's relevant to your situation instead of having to explain things to a therapist who might not understand.

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A bit off topic but, if I suspect co-morbid learning issues, is that something a neuropsychiatrist can diagnose? I actually believe that unsupported learning issues may be the root of a lot of my dysfunction (and resulting emotional issues). Appreciate the link, though.


I think neuropsychologists might be able to diagnose them through neuropsychological testing.



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23 Sep 2020, 4:17 pm

Tim Atwood is one of the leading experts on the subjects of ASD from a psychology perspective.
Tim Atwood is based in Oz.

Psychiatrists that understand the subject are rare, let alone general doctors and nurses.

In the UK, the Royal College of Psychiatrists do run some courses for registered psychiatrists on ASD,
which I believe are taught by several different doctors, who have a variety of backgrounds, from Psychiatry, to Psychology and Neurological Sciences.

If you don't live in the UK and are unsure of who oversees such training in the country that you live.
Try and find your national charity that looks after the cause of Autism and write to them to ask for advice.



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23 Sep 2020, 4:33 pm

My best professional help was from a public health nurse/social worker. Because she didn't feel qualified, she listened to me instead of any pre-conceptions. Because she had no doctorate, she was still allowed to say "I don't know" and at one point, that was the most helpful answer I've ever had. I would describe her skill as remedial parenting, and it is more of a knack than something reliably taught in schools. The world of therapy is littered with systems that did great work, but only when applied by the originator.



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23 Sep 2020, 4:36 pm

anxiety to meltdown

This book may be of some help for explaining to your primary health care providers what the problem is with people with ASD, in terms of explaining what a meltdown is and helping them to differentiate between tantrums and autism spectrum disorder meltdowns.

As most people who have not read up on the subject still does not understand the difference between voluntary bad behaviour, i.e. a tantrum, and an involuntary neurological reaction that occurs in people with ASD which is a result of neurological reaction caused when various conditions are met.

In simple terms, I use the following simple equation to help explain what a meltdown is:

Stress > Capacity for Stress = MELTDOWN!! !



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23 Sep 2020, 4:40 pm

Dear_one wrote:
My best professional help was from a public health nurse/social worker. Because she didn't feel qualified, she listened to me instead of any pre-conceptions. Because she had no doctorate, she was still allowed to say "I don't know" and at one point, that was the most helpful answer I've ever had. I would describe her skill as remedial parenting, and it is more of a knack than something reliably taught in schools. The world of therapy is littered with systems that did great work, but only when applied by the originator.


Yes, a genuine person who simply wants to help can often be much more useful than any doctorate.
Although, ideally finding a qualified person who is genuine who also wants to help and is willing to learn is also as good.

As people who are genuine and proactive, will find a way, where as the most qualified person in the world who doesn't give a crap or worse still, is intentionally trying to hurt their patients often can cause a great deal of unnecessary suffering.



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23 Sep 2020, 4:41 pm

The more-qualified folk generally feel frustrated if they can't write a prescription, and then another if their previous guess is off.



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23 Sep 2020, 4:58 pm

You could also look into finding local autism groups. They can be a better support network, especially if you don't need medication. I would also look specifically for a female group as female presentation can be very different from male.



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23 Sep 2020, 6:02 pm

I wouldn't like to rely on a shrink but I have no comorbidities of course. For me it's most important to realize what's up with me and other people and to deal the best way with it. Did learn a lot here and a lot in clubs and on the street. You'll find here many people who share special symptoms. What are your problems?


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