Would you be pissed off if you had no sciences in school?

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03 Oct 2020, 1:53 pm

So many years forced to be wasted... it makes sense to have some sort of standard for everyone's educational basis, but when what's mandatory is a curriculum with f*****g mass in it and no sciences whatsoever, and even the furthest to do with computers being MS office... *******, I swear... because now, more than a decade later, I have no life...



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03 Oct 2020, 1:57 pm

Where are the no-science schools?


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03 Oct 2020, 2:15 pm

Do you mean no science classes?
We were bombarded with science when I was in school. But science was my worst subject.


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03 Oct 2020, 2:15 pm

Maybe, I would wonder if religion nutters had taken over education that schools had decided to cancel science to avoid offense.


No, I don't care if you are religious, I take issues with the ones who try to convert you and push their beliefs onto others and take offense when you don't follow their religion or believe in god. That means taking over schools also. I don't care if they have their own schools where they can send their kids to that doesn't teach science because it follows their religion.


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04 Oct 2020, 11:51 am

In school, I learned to endure boredom without anger. I did my learning from books. One reason I did that is because of two well-entrenched sisters who "taught science." When word got out that they were moving about 18 miles from the school, one student who lived at the end of the bus route at 12 miles had lots of fun. He actually convinced them that in winter, they would have to use their second-storey windows to climb out onto the snow to get to school.



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04 Oct 2020, 12:56 pm

I'd rather be pissed off if all subjects had no visuals, no pictures, no demos, no hands ons, no performance, and not enough written lectures or references from texts to get around.
Only word of mouth or pure abstract theories that I can never understand, let alone appreciate.
No matter how much I paid attention, memorize and recall -- all meaningless...


Most at the time, when I was a child... It won't matter which subject.
... At least half of the things I've read and heard at lessons from school are incoherent, out of sheer lack of language comprehension.


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04 Oct 2020, 1:24 pm

It wouldn't have mattered much, I was drawn towards learning about science outside of school anyways.


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04 Oct 2020, 1:57 pm

I don't like the idea of having "faith schools" because I don't like the idea of indoctrinating kids with dogma that can't be objectively demonstrated, and I'd like to see religion removed from the curriculum except for the study of religion as a phenomenom. I can't easily imagine a school that doesn't teach science, though I suspect a school that was heavily controlled by religious beliefs could be in danger of biasing and censoring the science it taught.

My own education was mixed. My first school tried to tell me that the bible was correct - I believed it for a while but eventually rejected it along with belief in anything supernatural. My last school switched the name of the subject from "Scripture" to "Divinity" and then "Religious Knowledge." They claimed that they didn't try to convert us, and eventually the subject matter began to more closely resemble the viewpoint of historians, but there was a lot of insinuation built into it, and a lot of the essays we were made to write had to be done pretty much from a believer's perspective.

We were made to say prayers and sing hymns right the way through my school career as a daily event, but none of it had any indoctrinating effect on me, contrary to what might be thought. So much for the theory that if you repeat the same messages often enough then they'll end up believing it. The sentiments of the material were always too far removed from my way of thinking to do that, in fact I didn't understand a lot of it. They didn't explain much of it.

I think the biggest danger comes from religious parents who want to indoctrinate their kids. They're often so closely associated with them that they're likely to have a strong effect, and I suppose most people have the beliefs they do because their parents had them. But I don't know how the problem could be solved. Governments can't easily intervene there, not without breaking up families or putting everybody under a very creepy kind of surveillance.

Not that I think all religious ideas are particularly harmful. One very plausible theory I've noticed says that the afterlife is something they made up to stop us all going insane. So, ultimately maybe the truth doesn't always set us free or make us happy. But figuring out the truth by the use of scientific rigour is the only way I seem able to go - my brain doesn't seem capable of pretending to know something it doesn't know, once it's noticed that there is objective doubt. So even if ignorance is bliss, it's hard to un-know something and to wilfully become ignorant. I can't accept the truth of an idea that doesn't make sense, and I can't make sense out of nonsense. Still, the prospect of going out like a candle after death isn't so bad. Better than worrying about going to hell. At least I don't have to torture myself with that problem.

To answer the question, I don't know if I'd have been annoyed if they hadn't taught me science at school. Eventually I suppose I would have been. These days I see my scientific way of examining things as a very important force to protect me from disinformation and crooked thinking, as well as a useful tool for solving problems in general.



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04 Oct 2020, 3:03 pm

Weirdness wrote:
Would you be pissed off if you had no sciences in school?
Quite the contrary!  I would likely be so blissfully unaware of science that I would gladly accept the worship of whatever anti-science religion was dominant in my childhood household, be it Roman Catholicism, Jehovah's Witness, Scientology, or whatever...



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04 Oct 2020, 3:19 pm

"You can take the boy out of the Bible Belt, but you can't take the Bible Belt out of the boy."
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I have a friend who grew up in a strict Christian sect, and still lives among them. He is a major rebel in his community, but still a bigot outside of it.



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04 Oct 2020, 3:21 pm

I wish I'd had more theory in school.

As is, no I wouldn't have minded missing my science classes.

But that's cos it all became an anti dyspraxia lesson rather than a pro science lesson. I'd have been happy studying with a text book and information. Not having to draw a single graph or set up anything practical.

Took me til after uni to make my peace with science. Now I enjoy things like watching sci show on youtube. It doesn't have to be anti-dyspraxic, turns out.


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04 Oct 2020, 3:23 pm

magz wrote:
Where are the no-science schools?


Only ones I can think of is Steiner.

They teach their 'version' of science instead.

I'm so glad mum actually decided not to send me there. She was brainwashed a bit by their aesthetics and 'vibe'.


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04 Oct 2020, 5:22 pm

We had science in school, and I did very well. The problem, however, is that the schools I attended did not adequately prepare people for college study or future careers like they should.

This is why standardized tests need to be a thing of the past.


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04 Oct 2020, 5:33 pm

I never heard of no science schools before, and I came from a religious country and a superstitious culture.

Closest thing I've seen for no-science school is, well, churches with specialized classes that one attends at least few times a week.

From where I came from, the school's subject here can vary; 'Christian Living', 'GMRC', 'Values', etc.
It isn't even in pure theory or text, but also participatory -- still, I never seen the point of the subject.

And concerning religious stuff, or even anti-intellectualism from where I came from, it's not enough to drop science altogether.


:lol: I've been surrounded by a lot of these supposedly anti-science stuff that is religious practices and beliefs -- all still incoherent for me, and I'm not even the most concrete and logical of learners I've known. :lol:

I could always read any sacred texts right now, or participate to any of the known sacred practices, and still couldn't make any sense other than it's a cultures' practice that anyone can just tolerate and get along, maybe some principles or ethics or so.


No amount of influence can 'brainwash' me apparently.
Because from my point of view -- it's the chaos from autism (sensory, social, emotional, language issues) that made me 'immune' from 'worshiping symbols and names', not it's order (logic, intellect, concreteness, materialism, "resistance", even morality).


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04 Oct 2020, 8:13 pm

I would have been very pissed off if the high school that I went to didn't have any sciences. I enjoyed lab days and dissecting things.


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05 Oct 2020, 12:06 pm

Science was my favourite subject in school. I never knew it was legal not to teach science in school.