Sheltered Community better for people with ASD

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14 Jan 2021, 1:45 pm

When considering the differences in Neurology present in people with ASD, as well as the impact that the difference in neurology causes in people with ASD's capacity to interact with the normal world in the expect "normal" way,
I propose that it would be better for some people with ASD to live in a closed gated community, where their condition is understood and where people are more patient, understanding and treat each person with dignity, respect and in a humane way, regardless as to what behaviour their condition causes them to exhibit.

Please do not misunderstand me, in that i am not saying remove people with ASD from society, however,
I think it would be desirable for quite a few people with ASD to be housed in a sanctuary where they would be safe from getting judged in the NT world.

I would also propose that perhaps such gated closed communities could be tailored for various levels, perhaps including various areas, which could house the various levels of incapacity that each group of individuals suffer from.

Any opinions on this?



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14 Jan 2021, 1:48 pm

While this seems like a very good idea, I feel concern that what starts out as a well-maintained gated community for people with ASDs will end up being a gated dumping-ground or "ghetto" for anyone diagnosed with a mental illness.

Politician: "I am sure those aspies will not mind if we sneak a few sociopaths inside..."



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14 Jan 2021, 1:53 pm

A very similar thread was started not long ago and the views were divided. Me personally? I think that it could be a good idea for autistics with poor social skills provided the community is small enough and doesn't isolate itself.

The intention of a gated community is to isolate however and I think doing so will socially stunt the development of those living inside. I think autistics need interaction with NT's regardless of what interactions they are for them to mature and develop.



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14 Jan 2021, 2:43 pm

I don't like the idea of the segregation of people with ASD from the general population.

I feel like both NT's and people with ASD, in collaboration, could both benefit.

A prime example: Temple Grandin's career.



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14 Jan 2021, 2:50 pm

Sure re Temple Grandin. As much as I admire her, and think she has done a lot of good for us.
I do wonder however as to whether she would be so big or considered a Savant if she didn't come
from a super wealthy background?....

dig her cowgirl outfits in a strangely surreal type of way...



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14 Jan 2021, 2:53 pm

Fnord wrote:
While this seems like a very good idea, I feel concern that what starts out as a well-maintained gated community for people with ASDs will end up being a gated dumping-ground or "ghetto" for anyone diagnosed with a mental illness.

Politician: "I am sure those aspies will not mind if we sneak a few sociopaths inside..."


I think that if it was approached in the right way, it could be really cool.
i have previously read a book by architects who wrote a book explaining the various design challenges
when designing for people with ASD and there were a couple of interesting places in this book that looked
really good.

One place being sweetwater spectrum which looks really cool.
I think if i lived in the US, i would at least visit this place to see how it was and how people felt who lived there.
sweet water spectrum



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14 Jan 2021, 2:59 pm

I feel like accommodations should be made for ASD people----perhaps a housing development devoted to people with these sorts of needs would be good for some.

Yes, Grandin was lucky. But Grandin, also, was able to meet the NT's halfway, thereby inspiring the NT's to support her amid her inventions. She's not a "sellout" at all. She criticizes the NT way of things frequently.



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15 Jan 2021, 1:37 am

I don't like the idea of a gated community. I believe in inclusion.


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15 Jan 2021, 9:52 am

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15 Jan 2021, 10:28 am

While it might be "nice" to live only among other aspies, how does one expect to grow without challenges?



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15 Jan 2021, 10:37 am

Wouldn't work. I mean, first, you didn't say that only people on the spectrum would live there, but others who have understanding about the spectrum could too, right? Well, even if they have understanding on the theory level, that wouldn't guarantee that they could put it in to practice, now would it? Also, how far would their understanding have to go? If someone's a total jerk, then they are a jerk, be they on the spectrum or not. If the NTs in the area were always demanded to be understanding of those in the spectrum, it would be easy for those on the spectrum to do emotional abuse and claim that they didn't mean it that way. Also, what about problems between people on the spectrum? Those exist, and would undoubtedly rise in such a place, too. And let's say a place like that actually worked and someone lived there for years, then suddenly decided to move out, like because they found a relationship from outside and want to live with the person, then would they be able to adapt to society? If areas like that existed, people on the spectrum might get pressured to move there even if they didn't want to so that those not on the spectrum wouldn't have to deal with them as much.

Also, walled areas like that tend to have a bad stigma one way or other. If you're behind walls, you are often considered either a rich snob or something bad and tainted. In this case, it would end up being the later.



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15 Jan 2021, 10:56 am

Would self diagnosis be ok or would one need a professional diagnosis?
Would both pro cure anti cure autistics be allowed?


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15 Jan 2021, 10:57 am

I was more thinking of social housing that was designed for people on the spectrum, that was a safe place that people who have ASD could be tailored for (for example, sensory hypersensitivities etc), but also where there were staff living on site who would support as well as police.

I do not mean a commune, but more of a safe place. As people with ASD do have various problems, which if placed in normal social housing often get ignored.

I know, as presently the approach in the area that I live is to house people with ASD in normal social housing, around people who do not have ASD, and who do not understand ASD.

This means that in some cases people simply don't understand as to whether they are abusing you (as the disability is invisible, for example, some may not intentionally trigger meltdowns in people with ASD), and in some cases, they do understand what the condition was but don't care if they trigger meltdowns or not, and in some cases,
you get people in social housing who intentionally cause meltdowns through maliciousness.

So this is the issue for people with ASD living in normal society, perhaps applies more to people with ASD who ALSO have sensory impairment, which I understand isn't present in all people with ASD (so I would imagine that people who don't have these problems don't care as much, or in some cases don't care at all, as "I'm all right jack" if it doesn't affect me... it doesn't need to be done.. attitude so to speak).



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15 Jan 2021, 10:59 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Would self diagnosis be ok or would one need a professional diagnosis?
Would both pro cure anti cure autistics be allowed?


In the island that I live, in order to qualify for social housing for the disabled, a person needs to have a formal diagnosis of a recognised disability, as well as a recommendation from an official agency, perhaps also a recommendation from an Occupational Therapist.



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15 Jan 2021, 11:05 am

madbutnotmad wrote:
I was more thinking of social housing that was designed for people on the spectrum, that was a safe place that people who have ASD could be tailored for (for example, sensory hypersensitivities etc), but also where there were staff living on site who would support as well as police.

I do not mean a commune, but more of a safe place. As people with ASD do have various problems, which if placed in normal social housing often get ignored.

I know, as presently the approach in the area that I live is to house people with ASD in normal social housing, around people who do not have ASD, and who do not understand ASD.

This means that in some cases people simply don't understand as to whether they are abusing you (as the disability is invisible, for example, some may not intentionally trigger meltdowns in people with ASD), and in some cases, they do understand what the condition was but don't care if they trigger meltdowns or not, and in some cases,
you get people in social housing who intentionally cause meltdowns through maliciousness.

So this is the issue for people with ASD living in normal society, perhaps applies more to people with ASD who ALSO have sensory impairment, which I understand isn't present in all people with ASD (so I would imagine that people who don't have these problems don't care as much, or in some cases don't care at all, as "I'm all right jack" if it doesn't affect me... it doesn't need to be done.. attitude so to speak).


Would this community be for autistics on the more severe end? 24 hour care staff and a police guard seems unnecessary for the vast majority of mild autistics.



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15 Jan 2021, 1:56 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Would self diagnosis be ok or would one need a professional diagnosis? ...
If a person has to show proof (a licensed physician's affidavit) of a physical disability to receive and display a "Handicapped Parking" sign on their vehicle, then it only stands to reason that a person would need to show proof (a licensed psychiatrist's affidavit) to even be put on a waiting list for residency in an "Autistics Only" community.

Now, I do not know how it is in the U.K. insofar as being eligible for "Council Housing", but I would wager that the processes should be similar.