would you cyberstalk someone with ASD for a soap opera star?

Page 1 of 2 [ 18 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

madbutnotmad
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 20 Nov 2016
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,678
Location: Jersey UK

08 Mar 2021, 4:08 pm

If someone in a soap opera contacted you, in order to befriend you and to get you to stalk someone who you knew for them so that they could use the information that you give them in their scripts in order to slander your victim.

Would you do it, or if you wouldn't, why not? perhaps morally you think it would be wrong, perhaps an invasion of privacy, perhaps slander isn't your thing. But if you could get away with it due to the power of the people who produce the shows (and their buddies in politics who will make sure you and the show don't get fined etc).

What would you do, would you take the money and then pretend it didn't happen?



funeralxempire
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 40
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 29,209
Location: Right over your left shoulder

08 Mar 2021, 4:09 pm

How much are they paying me?



HeroOfHyrule
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 May 2020
Age: 23
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,247

08 Mar 2021, 4:33 pm

I'd take the money and then falsify the information, so I don't have to actually stalk anyone. lmao



Pepe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 26,635
Location: Australia

08 Mar 2021, 4:43 pm

madbutnotmad wrote:
If someone in a soap opera contacted you, in order to befriend you and to get you to stalk someone who you knew for them so that they could use the information that you give them in their scripts in order to slander your victim.

Would you do it, or if you wouldn't, why not? perhaps morally you think it would be wrong, perhaps an invasion of privacy, perhaps slander isn't your thing. But if you could get away with it due to the power of the people who produce the shows (and their buddies in politics who will make sure you and the show don't get fined etc).

What would you do, would you take the money and then pretend it didn't happen?


I doubt many would admit they would be complicit in what you have postulated.
I wouldn't be a part of it, especially since I have been on the end of a gang-stalking campaign for most of my life. 8)



Pepe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 26,635
Location: Australia

08 Mar 2021, 4:45 pm

HeroOfHyrule wrote:
I'd take the money and then falsify the information, so I don't have to actually stalk anyone. lmao


What about the consequences of doing that to people who have no scruples?

Part of the power of gang-stalkers, as an example, is they can and probably would, turn their attention on you. 8O



HeroOfHyrule
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 May 2020
Age: 23
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,247

08 Mar 2021, 5:08 pm

Pepe wrote:
HeroOfHyrule wrote:
I'd take the money and then falsify the information, so I don't have to actually stalk anyone. lmao


What about the consequences of doing that to people who have no scruples?

Part of the power of gang-stalkers, as an example, is they can and probably would, turn their attention on you. 8O

They could also just turn their attention onto me if I refuse and that refusal angers them. People with power and money that they can just throw around aren't exactly known for playing nice, and are very good at exercising their ability to force people into situations.

I rather just "agree" to do it and then figure out how to give them fake information, so I don't have to actually invade anyone's privacy. They'd also be less likely to go to someone else who would actually go through with doing so, if they don't figure out I lied.



Pepe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 26,635
Location: Australia

08 Mar 2021, 5:40 pm

HeroOfHyrule wrote:
Pepe wrote:
HeroOfHyrule wrote:
I'd take the money and then falsify the information, so I don't have to actually stalk anyone. lmao


What about the consequences of doing that to people who have no scruples?

Part of the power of gang-stalkers, as an example, is they can and probably would, turn their attention on you. 8O

They could also just turn their attention onto me if I refuse and that refusal angers them. People with power and money that they can just throw around aren't exactly known for playing nice, and are very good at exercising their ability to force people into situations.


Not complying with their wishes and *crossing them* are two very different things.
If you push someone, who is in a position of wealth and power, there is a greater incentive for them to make an example of you.

I'd take my chances of not getting involved. 8)

HeroOfHyrule wrote:
I rather just "agree" to do it and then figure out how to give them fake information, so I don't have to actually invade anyone's privacy. They'd also be less likely to go to someone else who would actually go through with doing so, if they don't figure out I lied.


The trouble is, if you are caught out then things might *really* get interesting. 8O

I am not sure going to the authorities would be a better option, but it may be. [shrug]



HeroOfHyrule
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 May 2020
Age: 23
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,247

08 Mar 2021, 5:55 pm

Pepe wrote:
Not complying with their wishes and *crossing them* are two very different things.
If you push someone, who is in a position of wealth and power, there is a greater incentive for them to make an example of you.

I'd take my chances of not getting involved. 8)

Since you already know about their plan there's no guarantee they'd just leave you alone if you refused, though. I don't think someone in a position of power like that, where they can just pay someone to do their dirty work for them and then think they can get away with it, would chance someone who doesn't agree to their plan possibly trying to alert their target or going to the authorities.

I've met some very narcissistic and vengeful people who aren't in a position of power and who take people not complying with them to be crossing them. I can't imagine what some psycho in that position would do to me if I refused, so I actually rather take my chances with lying. I could just take their money, change my identity, and move to Mexico or something if I was scared about being caught... lol



Pepe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 26,635
Location: Australia

08 Mar 2021, 6:02 pm

HeroOfHyrule wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Not complying with their wishes and *crossing them* are two very different things.
If you push someone, who is in a position of wealth and power, there is a greater incentive for them to make an example of you.

I'd take my chances of not getting involved. 8)

Since you already know about their plan there's no guarantee they'd just leave you alone if you refused, though. I don't think someone in a position of power like that, where they can just pay someone to do their dirty work for them and then think they can get away with it, would chance someone who doesn't agree to their plan possibly trying to alert their target or going to the authorities.

I've met some very narcissistic and vengeful people who aren't in a position of power and who take people not complying with them to be crossing them. I can't imagine what some psycho in that position would do to me if I refused, so I actually rather take my chances with lying. I could just take their money, change my identity, and move to Mexico or something if I was scared about being caught... lol


This situation is not a binary.
It has shades of grey and many dynamic parts to it. 8O

My best advice to you is to decide what is best for you, and I will do what I think is best for me, given we all have different personalities and value systems. :wink:

BTW, Send a postcard when you get there. :mrgreen:



Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 May 2008
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,812
Location: Stendec

08 Mar 2021, 6:04 pm

madbutnotmad wrote:
If someone in a soap opera contacted you, in order to befriend you and to get you to stalk someone who you knew for them so that they could use the information that you give them in their scripts in order to slander your victim.

Would you do it, or if you wouldn't, why not? perhaps morally you think it would be wrong, perhaps an invasion of privacy, perhaps slander isn't your thing. But if you could get away with it due to the power of the people who produce the shows (and their buddies in politics who will make sure you and the show don't get fined etc).

What would you do, would you take the money and then pretend it didn't happen?
I would:

1) Verify that my Private Investigator's license was up-to-date

2) Check with my lawyer for legal terms and condition to include in the time-limited contract

3) Perform only those legal activities as identified and detailed in the contract

4) Charge from $100 to $150 per hour, pro-rated on an 8-hour day, plus expenses (in cash, of course)

5) Stop working the case when the contract is violated by the client or it expires

6) Maintain client-investigator privilege under the perpetual non-disclosure clause of the contract

7) Deny everything, even if caught in the act


_________________
 
I have no love for Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranian Leadership, Islamic Jihad, other Islamic terrorist groups, OR their supporters and sympathizers.


KT67
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 6 May 2019
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,807

08 Mar 2021, 6:20 pm

Never change WP never change :lol:


_________________
Not actually a girl
He/him


HeroOfHyrule
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 May 2020
Age: 23
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,247

08 Mar 2021, 6:25 pm

I forgot to ask this, but why is the person asking us to do this specifically a soap opera star?



IsabellaLinton
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Nov 2017
Gender: Female
Posts: 72,422
Location: Chez Quis

08 Mar 2021, 6:27 pm

um, no.


_________________
I never give you my number, I only give you my situation.
Beatles


Pepe
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 11 Jun 2013
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 26,635
Location: Australia

08 Mar 2021, 6:37 pm

HeroOfHyrule wrote:
I forgot to ask this, but why is the person asking us to do this specifically a soap opera star?


*All* Opera stars are evil.
Simples. 8)



CockneyRebel
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 17 Jul 2004
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Posts: 116,905
Location: In my little Olympic World of peace and love

08 Mar 2021, 11:12 pm

I would, if I could get free fish n chips for lunch every Friday.


_________________
The Family Enigma


madbutnotmad
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 20 Nov 2016
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,678
Location: Jersey UK

09 Mar 2021, 2:06 am

Just to answer the question about why soap opera.
Well. I know of a particular person who has been victimised by people in the entertainment industry due to helping someone in politics, who also happened to have been previously a prominent journalist who worked for one of the UKs tabloids.

The politician whom he helped get out of an extremely difficult life ruining and career ruining spot, ended up branding his altruistic helper his "ghost" writer, and then incited his buddies in the entertainment industry and journalism to stalk him and use him as their free ghost writer. Without the guys permission. But that is UK aristocratic (elite private schooling) power elite for you. Turning what was altruistic on his victims side into a twisted private school boy style insiders joke.

Journalism / Politics / entertainment and to some extent law enforcement, are intrinsically linked.
Journalism run campaigns for politicians.
Politicians do favours for the press.
Entertainers often back political parties.

In some cases, the police are used by journalists / politicians / people in the entertainment industry
to get a scoop or dig the dirt on the perpetrators victims.

Some of the people in the entertainment industry now are as bad as bad politicians and journalists.
Soaps and other shows can be used to push political opinions and in some cases, rile up the public
to raise awareness for a policy that the politicians want passed, or in some cases, can also be used
to politically smear a victim in order to twist the public's perception of a particular individual.

I know of these things, as well as knowing the individual who has been victimised, I also went to a famous
performing arts college, which had lots of links to various areas of the entertainment industry, and journalism.

Yep, nothing is simple in this day and age.