Is it normal for some aspies to have no confidence?
I have no confidence, I lack self esteem and respect. I don't want to change the way I am and I don't like it when people have giving me a compliment before. For example before covid people say I do a sport well in Special Olympics I would rather if the coaches and athletes would cheer everyone else in the sport but me. I feel I don't deserve it. Also I don't like it when other people compliment my tattoos, nails, hair, glasses, clothing, ect. I know I hate myself.
Is it normal for some aspies to have no confidence?
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What do you dislike about people complimenting you for doing a sport well? Do the compliments feel insincere?
Unfortunately, probably a great many autistic people lack confidence.
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Is it normal for some aspies to have no confidence?
Well I struggle with that to, so maybe not so uncommon...but yeah idk you should try to feel good about the compliments, but i get how that can be hard...if like you don't really see it. But idk sometimes you just gotta assume the people are being geniune when they give compliments and even if it is hard try to see it as the positive thing they are trying to do...even if you don't feel it well you don't want to rain on them to. Or at least that is how I feel so I still try to take compliments well...but yeah for sure a lot of times it just feels akward and its like hard to appreciate it because I just feel embarrassed and would rather just disappear than acknowledge it...but then I know not at all acknowledging a compliment can make some people feel bad and I worry about that to.
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I used to hate myself very strongly until a few years ago, i still do sometimes.
What helped you stop hating yourself?
What bothers you about people liking you?
When I was younger I used to be annoyed by people (primarily men) who seemed to "like" or be attracted to me in what felt like superficial, one-dimensional, disrespectful ways, e.g. people who were attracted to my physical appearance and equated that with liking me as a person. I felt that they didn't really like me but only an image of me that they had in their head; they didn't know me anywhere near well enough to really like me.
Is this the sort of thing that bothers you, or something else?
Do you not want to have any friends (who would have to be people who like you as a person)?
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I used to hate myself very strongly until a few years ago, i still do sometimes.
What helped you stop hating yourself?
What bothers you about people liking you?
When I was younger I used to be annoyed by people (primarily men) who seemed to "like" or be attracted to me in what felt like superficial, one-dimensional, disrespectful ways, e.g. people who were attracted to my physical appearance and equated that with liking me as a person. I felt that they didn't really like me but only an image of me that they had in their head; they didn't know me anywhere near well enough to really like me.
Is this the sort of thing that bothers you, or something else?
Do you not want to have any friends (who would have to be people who like you as a person)?
To the first question: I guess therapy, medication and communicating with other autistic people. And my faith to an extent. I like myself most of the time now.
About your other questions:
I am not sure how to explain. I do wish for friends but i want them to see me as a certain way. If someone sees and "accepts" my unlikable aspects it sort of creeps me out and i feel bad for them.
I think as fellow human beings people should help each other out regardless they like each other or not. The few friends i have are very empathetic, kind and helpful people and i am sure they think the same.
That's great. In particular, I would expect that "communicating with other autistic people" would help many others here as well.
How do you want them to see you?
How do you want people to respond to your "unlikeable aspects," should they happen to see them (as they inevitably will if they've known you long enough)?
That's an important cultural value that has gotten lost among many people in the modern West. Hopefully it's still very much alive where you are?
It's great that you've been able to find such friends.
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I hope so. When i first joined an autism forum i was very nervous but i met some very kind people there who helped me a lot. So i am trying to help people here as well.
How do you want them to see you?
I guess i want them to see a mixture of my true personality and whom i try to be. I don't want to act like a completely different person but i am very used to acting so i sometimes automatically do it. I want someone to see through that if that makes sense?
How do you want people to respond to your "unlikeable aspects," should they happen to see them (as they inevitably will if they've known you long enough)?
Maybe acting sympathetic and tolerating them. They don't have to act like i am "so cute" when i act naive and clueless for my age.
I guess among certain groups. I live in a sort of multicultural place but comparing with the West i guess it is true. People are more community oriented here, the attitude towards disability is also different. Bullying and outright hostility is less common, but most people pity the disabled. Autistic people are treated as innocent and good people as opposed to the demonization in the West.
But it has its downsides too.
It's great that you've been able to find such friends.
Thank you, sometimes i cannot believe i have such great friends. They influenced and inspired me to be a better person too.
I'm near you in age, and I did all of those things: got a job, finished school, etc.... but there are still days when I feel exactly the way you are describing anyway. I used to think that achieving these things would make that shame or self-hate go away, but unfortunately mental health is not that simple.
I have had a really good experience seeing a counselor over the past year. In particular we really dissected what was behind my sense of self-loathing and have been working on it. If you are in a position to look for someone who might be a good fit for you, I highly recommend it.
I am complex when it comes to these issues.
On one hand I know that I'm competent at my job and am a good worker.
On the other I still lack confidence in my ability to do a good job.
One one hand I cannot really handle compliments and often brush them off with "Nah it's not that good" or the like.
On the other I really strive to get compliments and I enjoy being liked and somewhat popular.
And I don't *really* think that I'm liked or popular, despite having seen proof for it at least in some cases being the case.
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I wonder about this. When I stand alone I have confidence in myself. Most of the time I am told I radiate confidence. But relative to others, when challenged, I don't - at least not internally and eventually that shows up externally. I was invalidated and/or criticized relentlessly as a child. Having ASD in an NT world perpetuated that to a large degree. On the other hand my ASD-like BFF who has more self-esteem, but less confidence than me. She was raised in a household by two (likely) ASD parents and was validated - she was Normal in her household and could pass easily in the structured private school. However, we both "suffer" from giving space to others and not ourselves - that seems to be a female affliction in this gendered world of ours.
My confidence is not consistent. So is my self esteem in turn.
Because my abilities and expressions do not express consistently as I intended or needed it.
No amount of winning or losing streaks or numbered odds of stats will assure or waver me.
Because nothing will come out consistently, and I cannot predict the source of inconsistencies.
My 'past' scores of performance becomes irrelevant.
Really, I can outperform everyone at any day -- but at the same time I cannot hope to any day.
I can be competent at one moment, only to lose it all at next.
Or the opposite -- I can be completely dysfunctional at one moment, only to have all in control of everything at next.
I won't know if I have it until it's over.
It is one thing to deal with first degree of uncertainty alone, which is usually the self's perception.
A change of attitude might as well cure it.
It is another when dealing that seem to meta itself -- it's not just the self who's seeing the uncertainty anymore.
No amount of internal change of perspective is going to alter it.
Frustrating.
I'm still trying to find and solve the root cause of it.
I think the lack of confidence in most aspies is more rooted to one's ability to take uncertainty, and self esteem is rooted to the ability to perceive/misperceive said uncertainties.
To compensate for the wholly external uncertainties, many aspies hold onto internal consistencies -- usually manifested into a form of personal rigidity.
It can be their special interest, their test scores, specific traits, or how people should treat them, etc.
That's my theory at least.
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Unfortunately, probably a great many autistic people lack confidence.
Agreed.
Hardly surprising when you consider most of us are hopeless socially, at least when we were young.
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