Has anyone said, "you need to get serious help"??

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12 Nov 2021, 3:39 pm

Yes, that old psychological affront, where someone tells you "you're not OK (but I am)".
Basically, lumping us in with other people who've got mental illness per se (like bipolar, schizophrenic, psychosis, disassociative personality disorder, or even PTSD).

I got it a couple of times in the past, usually after I snapped and got really angry and broke something - like on a couple of occasions with housemates, but never in the workplace. I got it at school a few times, including in uni. But I can't recall getting the comment purely on the basis of miscommunications or misinterpretation of mind-state, or making social faux-pas. When the toxic person told me this comment, I just deflected with "with you??! yeah, anyone would be in need of help, you'd drive them insane."

Kind of a narcissistic reply, but sometimes, you gotta :D

If you wanted to really rub it in their faces, again along the same narcissistic lines, say "Yeah, been there, done that -but I actually ended up being the one who educated the so-called professional." (don't laugh too hard, this has actually been true for me more than once 8O )

So, yeah. My guess from my own experience is the anecdotes of other Aspies would be along the same lines: you don't get this sort of offensive comment based on the "primary" manifestations of ASD/HFA, but rather due to the comorbids and reactions, e.g. depression and anxiety causing us to act out, be short-tempered, give a piece of our mind to those who intentionally ignore or invalidate us, etc.



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12 Nov 2021, 3:47 pm

Recognize it for what is.... an attack. I feel the best response would be: Thanks for saying such kind words; I wish the same kindness on you. OR what is your motivation for saying something so unkind?



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12 Nov 2021, 3:50 pm

Jayo wrote:
Has anyone said, "you need to get serious help"??
Yes, my ex-wife -- a gin-swilling, pill-popping, manic-depressive psycho-demon witch queen who divorced me so that she could marry her wealthy boyfriend.

I never acted on her advice.



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12 Nov 2021, 3:54 pm

Fnord wrote:
Jayo wrote:
Has anyone said, "you need to get serious help"??
Yes, my ex-wife -- a gin-swilling, pill-popping, manic-depressive psycho-demon witch queen who divorced me so that she could marry her wealthy boyfriend.

I never acted on her advice.


OK well I think I'm picking up a theme here...people who say those six words are usually the ones who need to get serious help themselves (but would unequivocally reject it).



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13 Nov 2021, 5:50 am

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Recognize it for what is.... an attack. I feel the best response would be: Thanks for saying such kind words; I wish the same kindness on you. OR what is your motivation for saying something so unkind?


I don't see anything inherently unkind in that statement. I'd say it myself if I saw someone struggling and not making progress, carrying either a real or a metaphorical burden. The frustrating part is that help is often unavailable. The only time I said that I was really in trouble, I was not taken seriously.



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13 Nov 2021, 6:10 am

That hasn’t happened to me.

It could very well be a bitchy comment. It is certainly not helpful, and indicates a lack of compassion. It might be said in the spur of the moment.

But if you break someone’s phone, say, in anger, then it’s possible that you might need “serious help.” People don’t like their property being broken because someone is having a bad day.

How would you like it if somebody broke something of yours?



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13 Nov 2021, 12:15 pm

Jayo wrote:
Yes, that old psychological affront, where someone tells you "you're not OK (but I am)".
Basically, lumping us in with other people who've got mental illness per se (like bipolar, schizophrenic, psychosis, disassociative personality disorder, or even PTSD).

I got it a couple of times in the past, usually after I snapped and got really angry and broke something - like on a couple of occasions with housemates, but never in the workplace. I got it at school a few times, including in uni. But I can't recall getting the comment purely on the basis of miscommunications or misinterpretation of mind-state, or making social faux-pas. When the toxic person told me this comment, I just deflected with "with you??! yeah, anyone would be in need of help, you'd drive them insane."

Kind of a narcissistic reply, but sometimes, you gotta :D

If you wanted to really rub it in their faces, again along the same narcissistic lines, say "Yeah, been there, done that -but I actually ended up being the one who educated the so-called professional." (don't laugh too hard, this has actually been true for me more than once 8O )

So, yeah. My guess from my own experience is the anecdotes of other Aspies would be along the same lines: you don't get this sort of offensive comment based on the "primary" manifestations of ASD/HFA, but rather due to the comorbids and reactions, e.g. depression and anxiety causing us to act out, be short-tempered, give a piece of our mind to those who intentionally ignore or invalidate us, etc.


Something along those lines, I was told on an autism forum to "be a better person" by an NT parent who later had their children taken from her due to abuse. If only she had listened to what I had to say maybe she wouldn't have beaten her children, when people know you are autistic that pretty much invalidates anything you say, in my country anyway.



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13 Nov 2021, 3:39 pm

People tell me I need to get serious help just for existing all the time.


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13 Nov 2021, 3:41 pm

Fnord wrote:
Jayo wrote:
Has anyone said, "you need to get serious help"??
Yes, my ex-wife -- a gin-swilling, pill-popping, manic-depressive psycho-demon witch queen who divorced me so that she could marry her wealthy boyfriend.

I never acted on her advice.
Was she the same one who had Munchausen?


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13 Nov 2021, 3:42 pm

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People tell me I need to get serious help just for existing all the time.

Do you regularly ask them to help you find the serious help?



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13 Nov 2021, 3:45 pm

Dear_one wrote:
Aspinator wrote:
Recognize it for what is.... an attack. I feel the best response would be: Thanks for saying such kind words; I wish the same kindness on you. OR what is your motivation for saying something so unkind?


I don't see anything inherently unkind in that statement. I'd say it myself if I saw someone struggling and not making progress, carrying either a real or a metaphorical burden. The frustrating part is that help is often unavailable. The only time I said that I was really in trouble, I was not taken seriously.
When people say it to me, I don't think that is what they are seeing. But, to be fair, maybe it's what they think they are seeing; basically someone who doesn't meet their social expectations.


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13 Nov 2021, 3:46 pm

Dear_one wrote:
skibum wrote:
People tell me I need to get serious help just for existing all the time.

Do you regularly ask them to help you find the serious help?
Actually yes. I know the help I need and I constantly ask for it and constantly get told no.


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13 Nov 2021, 3:49 pm

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Jayo wrote:
Yes, that old psychological affront, where someone tells you "you're not OK (but I am)".
Basically, lumping us in with other people who've got mental illness per se (like bipolar, schizophrenic, psychosis, disassociative personality disorder, or even PTSD).

I got it a couple of times in the past, usually after I snapped and got really angry and broke something - like on a couple of occasions with housemates, but never in the workplace. I got it at school a few times, including in uni. But I can't recall getting the comment purely on the basis of miscommunications or misinterpretation of mind-state, or making social faux-pas. When the toxic person told me this comment, I just deflected with "with you??! yeah, anyone would be in need of help, you'd drive them insane."

Kind of a narcissistic reply, but sometimes, you gotta :D

If you wanted to really rub it in their faces, again along the same narcissistic lines, say "Yeah, been there, done that -but I actually ended up being the one who educated the so-called professional." (don't laugh too hard, this has actually been true for me more than once 8O )

So, yeah. My guess from my own experience is the anecdotes of other Aspies would be along the same lines: you don't get this sort of offensive comment based on the "primary" manifestations of ASD/HFA, but rather due to the comorbids and reactions, e.g. depression and anxiety causing us to act out, be short-tempered, give a piece of our mind to those who intentionally ignore or invalidate us, etc.


Something along those lines, I was told on an autism forum to "be a better person" by an NT parent who later had their children taken from her due to abuse. If only she had listened to what I had to say maybe she wouldn't have beaten her children, when people know you are autistic that pretty much invalidates anything you say, in my country anyway.
I have had people treat me similarly. Any issue in relating or conversing is automatically my error. I even had an nt tell me that I need to stop being so intelligent so that nts will like me.


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13 Nov 2021, 3:58 pm

I've had family say that to me when I was having an outburst. They were right to say it, as during outbursts I acted like a deranged lunatic that belonged in a mental hospital.


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13 Nov 2021, 5:46 pm

im off but not super seriously off if that makes sense



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13 Nov 2021, 5:47 pm

In India, they tell the story of (IIRC) Rama and his wife Lakshmi. They were travelling with a Donkey, and Rama was riding as they went through the first village. There, they overheard whispers about what a cruel husband Rama must be. So, for the next village, they changed places. This time, they heard about how domineering Lakshmi must be. So, for the next village, they both rode, and heard that they were cruel to the Donkey. At a fourth, they both walked, and were called foolish. So, they agreed to go on as they had at first.