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14 Dec 2021, 5:34 am

I've heard that many of us with ASD have be told that we are perfectionists and care about prestige.
I've also been told that in many cases we are not perfectionists and do not care about prestige.
Have you ever experienced this? I remember a piano teacher who told me that I am a perfectionistic person when in fact professionals who study ASD never tell me that I am perfectionistic. But I was told by one professional that prestige was important to me when I do something. I am not sure I care that much about my reputation and status.
I guess the whole thing about looking like a perfectionist is that we focus a lot on the details when we see them or are afraid that we are doing things the wrong way when do not see the details.
If you do not focus on the "whole picture" then you might look like a perfectionist?
But why would we care about prestige? I mean, do we really care about that when it is a social thing?



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14 Dec 2021, 6:29 am

probably depends on each individual. "spectrum" ya know. :)


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14 Dec 2021, 7:09 am

autisticelders wrote:
probably depends on each individual. "spectrum" ya know. :)

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14 Dec 2021, 7:15 am

He’s saying that if you’ve met one autistic person, you’ve met one autistic person.

Some are perfectionists. Some don’t care.



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14 Dec 2021, 7:40 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
He’s saying that if you’ve met one autistic person, you’ve met one autistic person.

Some are perfectionists. Some don’t care.

what does this even have to do with my post?
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I have heard about internet trolls and thought that I had met one of those.



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14 Dec 2021, 7:55 am

Autisticelder has had quite a few posts. She’s legit. I don’t feel she was trolling.

I’ve met people on the Spectrum who have large egos and want prestige.

Someone like me, though, really doesn’t care all that much.



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14 Dec 2021, 8:23 am

don't give a s**t

I'm bored though

I suffer from chron8c boredom



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14 Dec 2021, 10:03 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I’ve met people on the Spectrum who have large egos and want prestige.

Large egos? What does that refer to?
My thinking is that most of what we do can be interpretated in a very ptoblematic way.
Is it easy to see our "I care a lot about what I do" as "oh that guy is extremely perfectionistix and care about prestige"?
Is prestige really about egoism? Isn't it nore about actually caring what people think abiut you?

I listened to a psychologist who works with perfectionistic people and he said that moat people who are called perfectionists just care about their work. I think we often get missunderstood. I have even be told that I should stop taking things, eg my music, seriously. But I want to perform in a very personal and serious way even if it is a comical tune.
Are we told to be too serious?



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14 Dec 2021, 4:38 pm

I've certainly known people with ASD claim to be completely disinterested with what others think of them, but I think anybody who is universally disliked and disrespected is very likely to find themselves at a serious disadvantage when they want anybody to help them. Maybe those who don't see that have no social imagination at all. In my case, it's a compromise. I find it's just too uncomfortable to bend my behaviour towards what I think people would approve of all the time, so I give them something towards what I imagine they want, but there's a serious limit on how far I'll go before I lose patience with it. I feel quite a bit of contempt towards their demands because of the pain they give me. But I suppose I do keep falling into the trap of projecting my own perfectionism onto them, and thinking that if they see any results of mine that aren't perfect, they'll look down on me for it.

I don't think it's much about egotism, I think that would only be the case if somebody thought they were perfect and kept showing off their perfect results to everybody so they'd be adored for it and become some kind of revered idol. I'm possibly "guilty" of egotism because I tend to write and talk about myself a lot, but I don't see myself as conceited, I don't present myself as anything special. I think the very word egotism has two rather different meanings, and that there's a danger of seeing natural and normal self-interest as highly undesirable, because the word meshes that normal and harmless tendency with some kind of narcissism. I think it's perfectly OK to want to impress people with good results and to be interested in yourself and how well you do things, and to want good social standing, or prestige, as long as you don't start getting designs on being some kind of elite figure.

I suppose to tell whether you have perfectionism or a big interest in your prestige, you might look at how you do tasks that nobody else is likely to appraise. In my case I don't think anybody would be remotely interested in whether I weigh out 499.9g or 500.0g of flour when I bake a loaf, but I often find myself taking the matter very seriously, so I think there's at least a dimension of my perfectionism that has nothing to do with prestige. When I perform music I like to go down as well as possible, and it can lift my mood very well when I do, I like the little bit of admiration or prestige people sometimes give me for it, because it redresses the balance - there probably isn't much else about me that very many people admire, and in most other respects I don't feel popular at all. I work hard to get my music sounding as good as possible, but I don't know if that's because I want the prestige or just because I enjoy working it up to the best result I can get. I've often felt that it's unlikely anybody notices most of the small improvements I make to it, but that doesn't stop me making them.



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14 Dec 2021, 4:42 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Some are perfectionists. Some don’t care.


Excellent point, Sir Kraftie!

My NT sister and I hate being told to be "perfect" by our mom because my mom expects everything and everyone around her to be perfect every single day, therefore I may take her to see my therapist soon!

We don't want to be "perfect" but we struggle to maintain our sense of individuality.

Our mom likely will never admit that she is a perfectionist, in fact she told me off earlier today because I woke up in the middle of the night needing to use the bathroom and I had trouble getting back to sleep.

She accused me of doing this on purpose but also believes perfectionism is not a real concept.

(Really Mom, really?! :x )


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15 Dec 2021, 3:10 am

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kraftiekortie wrote:
Some are perfectionists. Some don’t care.


Excellent point, Sir Kraftie!

My NT sister and I hate being told to be "perfect" by our mom because my mom expects everything and everyone around her to be perfect every single day, therefore I may take her to see my therapist soon!

We don't want to be "perfect" but we struggle to maintain our sense of individuality.

Our mom likely will never admit that she is a perfectionist, in fact she told me off earlier today because I woke up in the middle of the night needing to use the bathroom and I had trouble getting back to sleep.

She accused me of doing this on purpose but also believes perfectionism is not a real concept.

(Really Mom, really?! :x )

Is that "perfect" even perfect? Perhaps that "perfect" is actually something else.
What we often mean by "perfect" might be something else than what is actually real perfection.



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15 Dec 2021, 11:21 am

Dandansson wrote:
Is that "perfect" even perfect? Perhaps that "perfect" is actually something else.
What we often mean by "perfect" might be something else than what is actually real perfection.

For me, "perfect" just means how close a result is to what is desired. Which raises such questions as: Who does the desiring? What do other people desire? Would any of them be content if they got exactly what they originally desired?

Digital sound recording (at its most accurate) is for all practical purposes perfect, in that almost nobody can hear any difference between the reproduced sound and the original. Hi-fi enthusiasts saw it as the Holy Grail for decades, working away to reduce the inherent changes that analogue recording and playback techniques made to the sound. And now they've achieved their aim, a lot of them are saying they prefer their old vinyl records and tape recordings. Yesterday's "inadequate treble response" is today's "warmth."



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15 Dec 2021, 11:46 am

I never cared.
And, circumstances would never allow me.
If I ever had those traits, I'd be in a perpetual state of shame and embarrassment, and probably lost my mind a long time ago.


The closest thing I have for perfectionism is having expectations over a precise result.

Many of said results tend to be on a scale of 'higher quality' or results of most skills outside it's range and means from the norm.
This also means expected results that may or may not be as difficult than it looked.

Luckily, mine leans towards 'just trickier, is easier than it looked, and I can easily explain and teach it to anyone with the less amount of X stat ability than I have' than the opposite.


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