can SpIns become so intense they become an addiction?

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15 Apr 2023, 11:11 pm

Spin-off from another thread where we began talking about this.

Has anyone else had a special interest that was so all-consuming that your brain basically became dependent upon the dopamine rush the interest gave?
I'm curious how common an experience this is, or if my experience is just an outlier.

Basically I formed a special interest around a cartoon as a teen. It became so intense that I had "highs" from watching it or thinking about it or engaging with the fandom, and I developed legitimate withdrawals in the form of severe, suicidal depression whenever I was not engaging with it. (The experience certainly ruined my mental health for like up to 2 years afterwards.) This pattern is referred to as "psychological addiction".


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16 Apr 2023, 1:25 am

Define addiction?

I'm sure they can become that intense for some people.

My stims are an addiction, but not my special interests.


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16 Apr 2023, 1:41 am

I'd use the diagnostic criteria for substance abuse as a framework - my own experience basically fits that. Just, with my brain's own dopamine being the "substance", rather than something like drugs or alcohol

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Substance use disorders span a wide variety of problems arising from substance use, and cover 11 different criteria:5

Taking the substance in larger amounts
Wanting to cut down or stop using the substance but not managing to
Spending a lot of time getting, using, or recovering from use of the substance
Cravings and urges to use the substance
Not managing to do what you should at work, home, or school because of substance use
Continuing to use, even when it causes problems in relationships
Giving up important social, occupational, or recreational activities because of substance use
Using substances again and again, even when it puts you in danger
Continuing to use, even when you know you have a physical or psychological problem that could have been caused or made worse by the substance
Needing more of the substance to get the effect you want (tolerance)
Development of withdrawal symptoms, which can be relieved by taking more of the substance

The 11 criteria outlined in the DSM-5-TR can be grouped into four primary categories: physical dependence, risky use, social problems, and impaired control.


So, something along the lines of:
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Spans a wide variety of problems arising from the obsession or problem behavior

-Indulging in obsession or behavior for longer than you're meant to
-Wanting to cut down or stop but not managing to
-Spending a lot of time getting, using, or recovering from the obsession
-Cravings and urges to indulge the obsession
-Not managing to do what you should at work, home, or school because of the obsession
-Continuing to use, even when it causes clear problems
-Giving up important social, occupational, or recreational activities because of the obsession
-Indulging again and again, even when it puts you in danger
-Continuing to indulge, even when you know you have a psychological problem that could have been caused or made worse by the obsession
-Needing more of the object of obsession to get the effect you want (tolerance)
-Development of withdrawal symptoms, which can be relieved by indulging more

The 11 criteria outlined can be grouped into four primary categories: physical dependence, risky use, social problems, and impaired control


My experience basically spanned all 11 criteria


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16 Apr 2023, 1:51 am

Wow. I'm sorry to hear that. :( That sounds really intense. I have special interests which are quite engrossing but never to that level at all. The only time I really indulged was after leaving work permanently and having raised my kids, so I didn't have other responsibilities. Even then nothing was an addiction despite some pretty intense rabbit holes.

I'm glad you were able to recover.


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16 Apr 2023, 2:24 pm

colliegrace wrote:
Spin-off from another thread where we began talking about this.

Has anyone else had a special interest ...


Haha, I thought the "Spins" in the title meant the stimming type of spins. I'm used to seeing "Special Interests" abbreviated as SI.

I just joyfully spent hours in Word investigating just how many spelling combinations there are for "Alexandria." I'm very efficient at laying out spelling combinations of names. There are just over 6,700 possible phonetic variations (and NO, I DON'T mean "Alejandra" and "Alessandra," which aren't even the same names).

I'd say that name spellings qualifies as an SI, even though I don't meet the substance abuse addiction criteria. I came up with the 6,700 variations in zip time compared to how long it'd take an NT to do it, even an NT who had the same interest (though I carry mine a bit further than what an NT would do).

The 6,700 doesn't even include the last two syllable variations of "ie'a" and "ie'ah." I decided to stop where I was at, figuring that 6,700 was plenty.

I'm now thinking of doing Virginia, though I'm pretty sure it won't come close to 6,700.



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16 Apr 2023, 3:08 pm

Yeah, I don't think special interests are inherently addictive. Apparently the reason autistic folk tend to get them is they produce more dopamine than social interactions do.

But since they tend to be quite intense in nature I think based off my experience with them that they can turn into the brain becoming actually dependent upon the dopamine rush, creating an addiction


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16 Apr 2023, 9:39 pm

Had a special interest that did kinda impede my life sorta for a while.

I got into designing a war game. Simulating naval warfare of the two world wars. Non computer. Using hex-sheets, dice, and tables. Card board pieces representing individual warships. Battleships, carriers, cruisers, destroyers. Began reading up on historic ships in "Jane's Fighting Ships" and obsessing on their gun calibers and armor thickness etc. And indeed it became a virtual (if not literal) "addiction". Literally "more addicting than crack" (a crazy buddy got me to try crack, and it didnt effect my life the way the naval wargaming did for several years).

Then one day I just got turned off by it, and began to wonder just WHY is this game I myself designed so "addicting". What is the emotional payoff? So I thought about the mental imagery the game conjured up. Ships with big guns..firing projectiles at other ships to...penetrate their armor...so that the shells...enter the enemy ship's hulls...to...EXPLODE...INSIDE the enemy ship. If you get my drift you will see that the prescription was suddenly obvious. That I needed to...well... ya know.

So I took up social dancing, and started going to singles events. Met a lady I still go out with.

Going to dances also got me interested in deejaying... led me to start working for a party deejay company for a while. Got me into other music related vocations and avocations.

I guess my point is that its a river..."SIs" can get into a log jam, or they help you along in life. But if an interest seems to be getting you stuck in life you might examine what it is that the interest does for you...might be some underlying issue that needs to be addressed.