Abnormal lipid levels may cause autism sleep issues.

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22 Apr 2023, 6:11 pm

Sleep Problems in Children With Autism Linked to Fat Molecules

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Summary: Study reveals a potential causal link between reduced levels of long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids in blood plasma and poor sleep quality and disrupted sleep patterns in children on the autism spectrum. Researchers also found lipidome signatures in autistic children with sleep disorders were similar to signatures associated with an unhealthy diet.


We're bad with fat? Or bad at retaining or metabolizing fat? I think that's the idea.



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22 Apr 2023, 6:13 pm

I wasn't fat as a child but I wasn't the best sleeper. But my sleep problems were more likely ADHD (hyperactivity).


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22 Apr 2023, 6:16 pm

I don't think there's a connection between being overweight and the low lipid levels. It says that the lipid levels are like having a poor diet, that's open to interpretation, so could mean too much fat, but the article says low levels of polyunsaturated fat, which is the "good" fat. So it sounds like the children aren't keeping the fat in their bloodstream long enough for some reason that isn't discussed or known.



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22 Apr 2023, 6:24 pm

I don't think I had that bad sleep problems as a child but the sleep problems I did have were typically ADHD-related. My brain wouldn't switch off and I was still in "daytime mode". But I got off to sleep eventually, as I don't remember being awake all night. My mum used to work late shifts and I very seldom remember being awake when she came home.

I was more awake when I had sleepovers. The other child or children would fall asleep before me and I'd still be awake, wanting to play with them but knowing I couldn't. That sort of thing. I always dropped off eventually though.


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22 Apr 2023, 6:26 pm

I've done clinical sleep studies which showed my brain isn't capable of Delta Wave restorative sleep. That's the deepest stage of sleep after REM. I also have prolonged falling asleep (forget what it's called - latency?) and I'm a very light sleeper because my brain stays too active and hyperalert. I don't think they measured blood values but there were all sorts of cardiac monitors and wires and EEGs.

Poor sleep is really common in ASD.


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22 Apr 2023, 6:29 pm

I think everything is a symptom of ASD.
ASD seems to steal every symptom of every existing neurological disorder. It has all the symptoms of dyspraxia.


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22 Apr 2023, 6:43 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I think everything is a symptom of ASD.
ASD seems to steal every symptom of every existing neurological disorder. It has all the symptoms of dyspraxia.



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Not trying to change the subject but I don't know much about dyspraxia so I looked it up.

Childhood:
I don't know that those are related to ASD except for the last one (sensory)
I think some autistic kids have muscle rigidity from toe walking etc., or could have cerebellar defects
I bump into things but I don't think it's in the criteria for ASD? Would have to double-check

School-Aged:
I guess autistic kids could have those, but they aren't in ASD diagnostic criteria except for the last one

Teens and Adults:
Sensitivity and maybe grooming / self-care are part of ASD
Other limitations could be part of poor EF for a number of reasons


I'm L2 and I could do all those physical skills.


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22 Apr 2023, 7:11 pm

Here's some sleep info re: ASD

https://www.spectrumnews.org/features/d ... ith-sleep/


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22 Apr 2023, 7:12 pm

Well usually autistic people here mention clumsiness and poor motor skills as "an ASD thing".

It just seems that every symptom of any neurological thing is mentioned as an autism symptom or trait.

What are autistic children who can't sleep like vs ADHD children who can't sleep?


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22 Apr 2023, 7:14 pm

People with weight problems -- too much OR too little body fat -- often suffer from insomnia.



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22 Apr 2023, 7:24 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Well usually autistic people here mention clumsiness and poor motor skills as "an ASD thing".


Motor coordination seems to be more of an issue with ASD from cerebellar irregularities.
Research suggests that's one cause of autism but I'm not a doctor so idk.

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It just seems that every symptom of any neurological thing is mentioned as an autism symptom or trait.


ASD is characterised by atypical development in many neurological areas.
It could be under- or over- development (too early, too late, too much, too little)
ASD is brain-based, so the symptoms are going to be neurological.
ASD doesn't match the neurological criteria of other neurological conditions.
(I've had a neurologist for years because of my strokes)


Joe90 wrote:

What are autistic children who can't sleep like vs ADHD children who can't sleep?


I don't know ^ .
I've never looked into the science of ADHD sleep even though I'm ASD / ADHD.
I wasn't diagnosed with either one at the time when I did my sleep studies.
They did say I had very abnormal brain waves in my temporal lobes.
I've been meaning to look for my sleep reports but I have no EF right now.


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