Page 1 of 1 [ 12 posts ] 

bee33
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Age: 60
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,862

25 Jun 2023, 7:17 am

So, ASD folks are supposed to be inflexible about the things we do and how we do them, and also have black-and-white thinking, whereby there is little nuance and something must be either good or bad. This is a generalization of course.

I'm wondering if this kind of thinking also applies to emotions. Because I find, within myself, that I am not able to "roll with the punches" and deal with emotion in a detached way as something that will pass and that I should not get worked up over it and just wait it out. When something affects me emotionally, especially when it's painful or sad, it feels permanent, and in my 59 years of experience, it is permanent.

Therapists never believe me when I say I will always feel a certain way and are always trying to persuade me that I will somehow suddenly turn into a different person, and be able to change how I feel. Even my current therapist, who specializes in neurodivergence and is ND herself. If only! I wish I could stop being in so much emotional pain! If only the therapist saying so would magically make it possible to feel better about something that is ruining my life.

Does black-and-white thinking in people on the spectrum also apply to emotions?



mrpieceofwork
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 May 2023
Age: 53
Gender: Male
Posts: 720
Location: Texas aka hell

25 Jun 2023, 7:45 am

I definitely don't "fake" mine. That to me seems to be nearly the same thing. I'm always feeling a certain way, depending the situation I'm in at any moment, which cannot be "nuanced" and/or "tweaked" in order to please others. Case in point, just two days ago my sis and her son were in a huge rush to get out of town (they literally did this) while her father and I were stuck in this house with NO POWER and a "faulty" generator, that I had to "repair" in order to have fans running. I got gas all over my hands, and they were telling me to just dump the gallons of old gas on the lawn. I was furious, but according to them it was all unwarranted. f**k that noise, as they say.


_________________
EAT THE RICH
WPs Three Word Story (WIP)
http://mrpieceofwork.byethost33.com/wp3/
My text only website
https://rawtext.club/~mrpieceofwork/
"Imagine Life Without Money"


Edna3362
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 29 Oct 2011
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,721
Location: ᜆᜄᜎᜓᜄ᜔

25 Jun 2023, 9:13 am

I'm not sure how much it applies to me.

More like interactions between my neurodivergence, my body's current cocktails of chemicals and the perceived contexts in whatever particular situation.


If anything I'm trying to be more emotionally blank and detached and therefore more "rigid".

Because me being emotionally 'pliant' meant this irrational yet predictable manipulable person. I am not in the best place and constantly not in the best states to be "open".

I hate being that brat who is easily persuaded. :roll: And people predicting whatever.

This also means, people can gain the ability to put those stupid buttons in my head as if I'm one of those programmable impressionable child.

To a point that I'm just annoyed, just frustrated that either or both are into the mix... Because of whatever this aspect of humanity this is.

I'd rather be permanently unaffected, permanently rigid after a certain age, and then with no one will be ever adding any more stupid 'emotional bruises' that just festers into an infection.


But no. :roll:
I'm still this impressionable brat. Optimistic wanna be. Pessimistic downer.
Make up your damn "mind" already!.. I wish emotions do not influence my thoughts and actions.


_________________
Gained Number Post Count (1).
Lose Time (n).

Lose more time here - Updates at least once a week.


babybird
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Nov 2011
Gender: Female
Posts: 75,884
Location: UK

25 Jun 2023, 9:43 am

I'm not inflexible. If someone or something makes me feel like shite I know it will pass pretty quickly and then I go back to my usual self.


_________________
We have existence


notSpock
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

Joined: 26 Jun 2023
Age: 64
Gender: Male
Posts: 86
Location: Northern California

28 Jun 2023, 5:36 pm

I feel emotions very strongly, and keep thinking of something that bothers me for a day or more.

If we have made an agreement about what we are going to do today, I will be upset if you want to change it without my agreement. I may not even take well to your suggestion of a change, if I'm already starting to feel stressed.

But I don't think of myself as inflexible or rigid in general. I'm actually very open-minded. I just feel strongly that agreements between people that have actually been made should be taken seriously, until they are changed by mutual consent.

I also do not feel that I experience black-and-white thinking at all. For me, my orientation to detail rules that out. I am somewhat obsessive about getting a high-fidelity picture of things, and that always requires taking lots of subleties into account.

I think of black-and-white thinking as thinking in terms of a small number of all-or-nothing distinctions, and for me attention to detail typically reveals a very large number of distinctions. I see millions of colors, not black and white, but I will be more concerned than an NT person to try to say clearly which of the millions of colors I'm seeing.

I'm not sure if this is what you meant by black-and-white or not. I've seen some people call something like my notion of a high-fidelity view a kind of it, but I disagree with that. In any case, what is key is what we mean by the words we use.

I think I probably also get tunnel vision at times. But this again has nothing to do with the number of distinctions I make.

In another forum recently, someone suggested that maybe the classic small-number-of-distinctions black-and-white seen in some of us comes other conditions that may co-occur with ASD. I thought that made sense.



skibum
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Jul 2013
Age: 58
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,430
Location: my own little world

28 Jun 2023, 5:42 pm

bee33 wrote:
So, ASD folks are supposed to be inflexible about the things we do and how we do them, and also have black-and-white thinking, whereby there is little nuance and something must be either good or bad. This is a generalization of course.

I'm wondering if this kind of thinking also applies to emotions. Because I find, within myself, that I am not able to "roll with the punches" and deal with emotion in a detached way as something that will pass and that I should not get worked up over it and just wait it out. When something affects me emotionally, especially when it's painful or sad, it feels permanent, and in my 59 years of experience, it is permanent.

Therapists never believe me when I say I will always feel a certain way and are always trying to persuade me that I will somehow suddenly turn into a different person, and be able to change how I feel. Even my current therapist, who specializes in neurodivergence and is ND herself. If only! I wish I could stop being in so much emotional pain! If only the therapist saying so would magically make it possible to feel better about something that is ruining my life.

Does black-and-white thinking in people on the spectrum also apply to emotions?
I am like you. I cannot ever release my trauma. That function does not exist for me. Me emotional pain and CPTSD will never go away. I have learned to embrace it. I have learned to actually love that pain in a sense that I understand that it is a part of me and that it makes me a better person. It keeps me honest and grounded and it is what enables me to love others as deeply as I do. It is what makes me have inhuman levels of compassion and empathy and forgiveness for others. If you have a situation like this where you cannot change this kind of pain, you must learn to make it work for you in a way that deepens your ability and feel and care for others. It's not going to stop. People who do not experience this cannot understand. But you can make it work for you and make you. It takes courage and faith to do that but you can do it and it really pays off. :heart:


_________________
"I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me."

Wreck It Ralph


jimmyjazzuk
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

Joined: 19 Jan 2018
Gender: Male
Posts: 375

28 Jun 2023, 7:12 pm

i feel things extremely strongly and can be affected for days/weeks even months with one bad thought



bee33
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Age: 60
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,862

02 Jul 2023, 5:46 am

skibum wrote:
I am like you. I cannot ever release my trauma. That function does not exist for me. Me emotional pain and CPTSD will never go away. I have learned to embrace it. I have learned to actually love that pain in a sense that I understand that it is a part of me and that it makes me a better person. It keeps me honest and grounded and it is what enables me to love others as deeply as I do. It is what makes me have inhuman levels of compassion and empathy and forgiveness for others. If you have a situation like this where you cannot change this kind of pain, you must learn to make it work for you in a way that deepens your ability and feel and care for others. It's not going to stop. People who do not experience this cannot understand. But you can make it work for you and make you. It takes courage and faith to do that but you can do it and it really pays off. :heart:


Thank you for writing this. It gives me a lot to think about. All my life I have known that I feel things more strongly than (most?) other people, but somehow I don't really believe it, so when it is actually happening I end up feeling puzzled. When other people don't understand my pain, I think, "Haven't they ever heard of pain? Haven't they felt it too?" Because it feels presumptuous to think that I have more pain than the next person. Yet when my sister was visiting me a few months ago, she said that she has never seen anyone in this much pain. (Due to the rejection by my oldest friend of 41 years, whom I thought I would spend the rest of my life with. I've written about it in other posts.) I too love very deeply. But I don't think I am equally strong in the compassion and empathy. I am in so much pain that all I can think is, why doesn't my oldest friend, whom I have always turned to when I was in distress, make this pain stop, since he could, just by being nice to me and being a friend to me. And I have not been sympathetic to how hard it has been for him, and by always begging for him to help me I have pushed him away, because he can't take it. So, this reminds me that I have to look outward and try to see how other people are feeling, but I find that very hard to do when I am just so hurt and in such pain. I still have a long road and a lot of work to do, and I'm not sure if I can do it, because I am just so broken. But thank you. Your words really help.



bee33
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Age: 60
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,862

02 Jul 2023, 5:47 am

jimmyjazzuk wrote:
i feel things extremely strongly and can be affected for days/weeks even months with one bad thought

Yes, this! Thank you.



Sahn
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Jan 2018
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,503
Location: UK

02 Jul 2023, 10:29 am

bee33 wrote:
Does black-and-white thinking in people on the spectrum also apply to emotions?


I can get stuck on a particular food, or idea, or dream and all of that is relatively inconsequential. I can get stuck on an emotion and the repercussions are usually quite dreadful. I'll know that my perception is obscured, use reason to calm myself down only to have to repeat the process again and again and again.

I'm more prone to these episodes when there's too little going on I'm my life or too few people. I'm more easily triggered when my circle is small. Call it black and white thinking or being emotionally stuck, I think it's been helpful to recognise it as just another fixation, same as my dreams, interests and ideas, albeit one that has stagnated.



jimmyjazzuk
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

Joined: 19 Jan 2018
Gender: Male
Posts: 375

02 Jul 2023, 5:32 pm

bee33 wrote:
jimmyjazzuk wrote:
i feel things extremely strongly and can be affected for days/weeks even months with one bad thought

Yes, this! Thank you.


A therapist described it as a thought train. One thought and the next thing you know you are 100s of miles down the track until one day you might or might not be able to step off!



notSpock
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

Joined: 26 Jun 2023
Age: 64
Gender: Male
Posts: 86
Location: Northern California

03 Jul 2023, 12:34 pm

I get emotionally stuck on a lot of things too. Once I get going, it's hard to change direction. Other times I am very peaceful from happily pursuing my special interests, but once I get upset, it takes a day or more to get it out of my system. It's mostly internalized, but my wife can always tell.