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07 Jul 2023, 1:19 pm

Have you ever tried meditation? What kind of meditation have you tried, and how is your experience with it?

When I was a teenager I used to go to a mindfulness meditation group every other week, with my aunt. It was lead by a Tibetan monk, so we recited Buddhist prayers at the beginning and lit incense, but the focus was on the meditation itself and it was otherwise non-denominational.

I'm not "good at" meditating, but I can feel how it benefits me. I get discouraged because observing my mind gives me anxiety, and I have trouble focussing. All the more reason to meditate regularly though, because those are things that can improve with more practice.

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I guess this isn't technically autism related, but I put it here because I'm specifically curious about how other autistic people have fared with it. I've heard that adhd, for example, can effect how people meditate



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07 Jul 2023, 1:30 pm

Hi,
There are a lot of options for meditation that have varying degrees of use, ASD or not. I've definitely got ADHD, so meditation is both challenging and probably of more benefit to me than the average.

I personally have a singing bowl, which is kind of nice as it's something that I can do regardless of how I'm feeling. I can just drag the bangy thing around the edge of the bowl and try to get a comfortable and consistent tone out of it. Or, I can bang it and listen for that moment where I go from hearing it to not hearing it.

I also learned some hand position based meditations that do help with some things, but I'm usually too tired or stressed to even try.



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07 Jul 2023, 1:55 pm

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Hi,
There are a lot of options for meditation that have varying degrees of use, ASD or not. I've definitely got ADHD, so meditation is both challenging and probably of more benefit to me than the average.

I personally have a singing bowl, which is kind of nice as it's something that I can do regardless of how I'm feeling. I can just drag the bangy thing around the edge of the bowl and try to get a comfortable and consistent tone out of it. Or, I can bang it and listen for that moment where I go from hearing it to not hearing it.

I also learned some hand position based meditations that do help with some things, but I'm usually too tired or stressed to even try.


A singing bowl is a good idea. I like the idea of meditation focussed on outside stimuli, since breathing can be a bit too subtle for me to consistently pay attention to.



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07 Jul 2023, 7:53 pm

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MatchboxVagabond wrote:
Hi,
There are a lot of options for meditation that have varying degrees of use, ASD or not. I've definitely got ADHD, so meditation is both challenging and probably of more benefit to me than the average.

I personally have a singing bowl, which is kind of nice as it's something that I can do regardless of how I'm feeling. I can just drag the bangy thing around the edge of the bowl and try to get a comfortable and consistent tone out of it. Or, I can bang it and listen for that moment where I go from hearing it to not hearing it.

I also learned some hand position based meditations that do help with some things, but I'm usually too tired or stressed to even try.


A singing bowl is a good idea. I like the idea of meditation focussed on outside stimuli, since breathing can be a bit too subtle for me to consistently pay attention to.

In general, the types of meditation that are the hardest are there ones that do the most good, but you do need to engage in it long enough to benefit.

I've personally found that more shorter meditations seem better than one longer session.



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08 Jul 2023, 12:57 am

I practice Tibetan Buddhism. The two goals I find are shamata, just watching the mind, and tonglen, a method to cultivate compassion. Shamata aims at just watching afflictive emotions as just that, emotions. When I learned to fully watch an emotion with no aversion to it, with a simple view of its nature, it changes. These afflictive emotions have causes. Sometimes even an aversion to it is one of the main causes. Stop the cause, cultivate compassion, results in a more pleasant mindset.
Tonglen means taking and giving. When a bigger emotion such as anger or depression arises I cultivate compassion. To practice tonglen you imagine someone you care about imagine breathing in their pain and unhappiness through the left nostril in the form of black smoke. You then breath out the causes of happiness such as compassion and equanimity in the form of white smoke out of your right nostril. Repeat with a person you feel neutral about, then someone you have an aversion or anger towards. When feeling anger I use this at the target of my anger to replace it with compassion for their unhappiness. This helps me cultivate a desire for them to be happy, even if it means walking away.


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08 Jul 2023, 8:28 am

There's a Sufi meditation where you concentrate on nothing but the air going in and out of the tip of your nose as you breathe. That's the only meditation I've been able to do anything like well. I don't know whether or not it ever did me any good. There was a warning in the instructions not to try it while lying down because it might send you to sleep, and I've done that as a sleeping aid, but it's only marginally effective.

I've often suspected that meditation does nothing and is ultimately impossible. I guess it boils down to the question, does the normal state of the waking mind, i.e. constantly thinking, really do any harm?



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08 Jul 2023, 9:55 am

ToughDiamond wrote:

I've often suspected that meditation does nothing and is ultimately impossible. I guess it boils down to the question, does the normal state of the waking mind, i.e. constantly thinking, really do any harm?


I'm confused why you think that meditation could be impossible, since people do it all the time. Unless you mean it's impossible to do it perfectly

From what I understand, the goal of mindfulness meditation isn't to stop the mind from constantly thinking, but to make oneself more aware of what the mind is doing and be better able to control it and focus it. Most sources seem to back up the effectiveness of regular meditation in improving focus and mood. To me being able to better understand and harness one's own mind seems inherently worthwhile



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08 Jul 2023, 10:07 am

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I've often suspected that meditation does nothing and is ultimately impossible. I guess it boils down to the question, does the normal state of the waking mind, i.e. constantly thinking, really do any harm?

That likely means that you are either doing the wrong meditations or are doing them wrong. I took a meditation class years ago and it was extremely helpful. I meditate sporadically, because that's what ADHD does. But it's usually helpful.

And yes, it does. All suffering comes from the mind. Given that you're posting here, it wouldn't be surprising if the commonly pushed methods haven't done anything.

At bare minimum the ability to redirect your thoughts is a huge skill that most if us suck at. It's part of why it's so hard to do the perseverating to engage in practices that might improve our quality of life or move on from a meltdown more effectively.



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08 Jul 2023, 10:20 am

I tried transcendental meditation for a while because so many of the artists I admire are into it.

If you don't know, TM is a bit suspect because you're supposed to pay for a bit of tuition and to get a personalised mantra from a qualified teacher. Which absolutely makes it sound like a scam.

But yeah, lots of artists I know and admire are 100% into it, so I'm curious.

Anyway, I didn't pay. I looked up how they give you mantras online and found some tables and just picked the one it seemed I'd most likely be given.

So in TM you repeat a meaningless mantra in your head over and over as you 'descend' into your subconscious. It's actually quite hard to stop your brain wandering off, I'm quite capable of 'multi-threading' so I can have my mantra going and then I'll realise that I've also been thinking about toast or something for a few minutes.

It had some value, I think. Just sitting quietly for 20 minutes is good practice if you've got a noisy brain. But I never knew if I was doing it right because I never took lessons. I don't think it had much effect on my creativity which is what I was most interested in at the time.

I remain intrigued though. I think meditation would probably be good for me.


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08 Jul 2023, 10:43 am

DuckHairback wrote:
I tried transcendental meditation for a while because so many of the artists I admire are into it.

If you don't know, TM is a bit suspect because you're supposed to pay for a bit of tuition and to get a personalised mantra from a qualified teacher. Which absolutely makes it sound like a scam.

But yeah, lots of artists I know and admire are 100% into it, so I'm curious.

Anyway, I didn't pay. I looked up how they give you mantras online and found some tables and just picked the one it seemed I'd most likely be given.

So in TM you repeat a meaningless mantra in your head over and over as you 'descend' into your subconscious. It's actually quite hard to stop your brain wandering off, I'm quite capable of 'multi-threading' so I can have my mantra going and then I'll realise that I've also been thinking about toast or something for a few minutes.

It had some value, I think. Just sitting quietly for 20 minutes is good practice if you've got a noisy brain. But I never knew if I was doing it right because I never took lessons. I don't think it had much effect on my creativity which is what I was most interested in at the time.

I remain intrigued, though. I think meditation would probably be good for me.

If you're located near a Sri Chinmoy meditation center, the classes are free, and I found the introduction to be very useful.

I'd personally be skeptical of anybody making you pay for the lessons. At least in more populated areas, where such services can be provided based solely on voluntary donations.



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08 Jul 2023, 6:35 pm

I got inconsistent results.
And I don't know what type of meditation I'm doing except just focus on breathing and/or hearing.

From falling asleep, to being very overwhelmed and frustrated, to basically feeling "nothing" - timeless, spaceless, reality break from the physical, to temporarily suddenly achieving a form of ego loss and temporary became an empath.

Nowadays, I don't feel like meditating.


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09 Jul 2023, 7:16 pm

DuckHairback wrote:
If you don't know, TM is a bit suspect because you're supposed to pay for a bit of tuition and to get a personalised mantra from a qualified teacher. Which absolutely makes it sound like a scam.

I have found TM to be quite helpful to me, even though I rarely did it on the recommended schedule. I don't know if I would have been as successful with if I had not been instructed. Yes, it can seem like a scam but I still believe it is worth the significant cost. TM is very straight forward about the fee and it is a one time thing.


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"Meditation is a practice in which an individual uses a technique – such as mindfulness, or focusing the mind on a
particular object, thought, or activity – to train attention and awareness, and achieve a mentally clear and emotionally
calm and stable state. Meditation is practiced in numerous religious traditions."

Meditation is A Valuable Way to Regulate Emotions and Integrate Senses;

Tony Atwood, Famous For His Work With Folks With Asperger's Syndrome

Suggested An Only Remediation For Symptoms is Regulating Emotions; Yes,

And i Will Surely add Integrating Senses As Well as These Are Two Challenges

Associated With Not Only Autism Yet Executive Functioning in Terms of Focus,
Attention Span, Short Term Working Memory; And Long Term Memory Retrieval As Well...

A Person May Accumulate Many Degrees Like i Did in College in Number of Three Yet with
Extreme ADHD It Will Be Very Difficult To Function in Focusing on One Task in Life to Get Jobs

Completely Done. And This is Where Meditation May Come into Change a Life; Yet For me i Choose
my Own Methods, Proven to Work Consistently Now Without Fail for a Decade; More Specifically, A Flow

of Writing Free Verse Poetry Giving me Mastery over my Thoughts Now After Exercising This Human Potential
in Meditative Flow All Naturally 11.8 MiLLioN Words in 118 Months; Yet Oh Dear Lord, if i Only Sat on my Butt
Doing This in Front of A Screen, i Would Be Neglecting the Rest of my Body That Makes Up My Experience of Life

Within As Well
For Experiencing
A Focus of LoVE iN Peace;
Blissfully, Also Public Dancing
a Meditative Flow Free Style Ballet
And Martial Arts Now 18,533 Miles in 118 Months too...

i Used to Be Lost in Random Thoughts and Worries About so
Many Details In Life; and i Used to Not Be Comfortable in my Own
Skin and Not Nearly As Extraverted And Easy in Small Talk With Strangers
Making FRiEnDS Everywhere i go in Real Life Now and Online as Well Lasting

Close to a Decade

Now too; In Fact, Other

Than Still Focusing on Special
Interests Like Dancing And
Singing Poetry Meditatively ThiS Way,

The Four Attending Professionals Who Diagnosed
me With Asperger's Syndrome, Along With One Who
Diagnosed my Sister too; Suggests That Through this

Meditative Free Dance And Song in Flow of Moves And Words
of Poetry, For All Practical Intents and Purposes, i Am Just About

The Least
Autistic
Person
They've Come
Across Now in Person;
Of Course as They Understand
Also That That Much Intense Focus
on Two Special Interests is FAR FROM THE NORM...

NEVER the less, Life is Heaven to me Now For A Decade
as Compared to the Chaos of Life Before So Out of Focus

And So Uncomfortable in my Own Dam Skin in the 'Real World;'

In Fact, it Felt
Like the 'Wrong
Planet' Until i Remedied
Those Issues myself Creatively And New...

Some Effective Empirical Results are That my AQ Scan
By Simon Baron Cohen For Autism Went From 45 to 11;

my Emotional Intelligence Quotient Rose from the Mid 50's to Mid 90's;

Before the Public Dance at age 53, i Leg pressed 500 Pounds; Now 10 Years
Later at age 63, i Warm up at the Military Gym 12 Reps Leg Pressing 1540 Pounds.

When Properly Focused As Tested, i Read 20 Times Faster than the Average Human Being...

i Barely had the Focus to Read a Few Pages in Books At School; i Relied on Note taking
And Laser Focus on Lectures to Stay Close to the Top of the Class for 3 College Degrees....

A Couple of Weeks Ago, at Barnes And Noble, While Public Dancing, Listening to Meditative
Music i Had the Focus to Finish a 400 Page Book in An Hour and a Half; And In Recent Research,

Folks Who Meditate Only A Few Instances a Week Show Increases in Creative Output of 500 Percent..

Hmm, Hehe, Wonder
What that Might
Look Like for
Someone Who
Spends Nearly
Every Minute of
Their Life in a Meditative
Flow; Chances Are A Life Might Become Essence of Art...

About As Far Away And As Close as one Might Want to Do 'Systemizing Mind'...

Mileage, Varies Depending on Make and Model of Human Vehicle and Vessel;

Works
For me
As The
Evidence
Clearly Shows..:)



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10 Jul 2023, 2:55 pm

I can't do meditation with my adhd but I can fall asleep in the bath and that's quite nice.


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10 Jul 2023, 3:10 pm

CarlM wrote:
DuckHairback wrote:
If you don't know, TM is a bit suspect because you're supposed to pay for a bit of tuition and to get a personalised mantra from a qualified teacher. Which absolutely makes it sound like a scam.

I have found TM to be quite helpful to me, even though I rarely did it on the recommended schedule. I don't know if I would have been as successful with if I had not been instructed. Yes, it can seem like a scam but I still believe it is worth the significant cost. TM is very straight forward about the fee and it is a one time thing.


Thanks CarlM. Can you elaborate on the ways it helped you?


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10 Jul 2023, 3:13 pm

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Completely Done. And This is Where Meditation May Come into Change a Life; Yet For me i Choose
my Own Methods, Proven to Work Consistently Now Without Fail for a Decade; More Specifically, A Flow

of Writing Free Verse Poetry Giving me Mastery over my Thoughts Now After Exercising This Human Potential
in Meditative Flow All Naturally 11.8 MiLLioN Words in 118 Months;




Apologies for hacking your flow. Are you saying that you see your writing as meditation? Or that it works for you better than what we'd typically call meditation?


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